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Because it isn't consistent in any way with liberal ideals. And by that I don't mean it's strictly inconsistent, but that it's just outside the scope.

You're right that more liberals would promote it than conservatives, but I don't think that means it's a liberal idea. Like how more liberals are atheist than conservatives--it's just outside the scope of liberal/conservative, i.e. atheism isn't a liberal ideal.


I don't think that is true at all. Liberals are focusing on pushing the economy away from fossil fuels into green energy. They accept climate change and work to combat it. How does recognizing the effects animal agriculture has on climate change not fit in with the liberal ideal?

I would agree that the humane treatment of animals in factory farming is probably outside the scope of liberal ideals, but I don't think it will remain that way. Liberals claim to support labor, but the Democratic candidate for president has said she would put the coal industry out of business. It's only a matter of time until the Democratic party turns on animal agriculture farmers.
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Yes I have indeed heard that. Though I see no reason why not to just stop now instead of wait.


...in the scope of eternity the difference between then and now is meaningless...God works out His plan in the eternal and not in Earthly measurements of the length of a day .

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...in the scope of eternity the difference between then and now is meaningless...God works out His plan in the eternal and not in Earthly measurements of the length of a day .


So here's a fun question, do you believe eating meat is a sin? And why?
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I don't think that is true at all. Liberals are focusing on pushing the economy away from fossil fuels into green energy. They accept climate change and work to combat it. How does recognizing the effects animal agriculture has on climate change not fit in with the liberal ideal?

I would agree that the humane treatment of animals in factory farming is probably outside the scope of liberal ideals, but I don't think it will remain that way. Liberals claim to support labor, but the Democratic candidate for president has said she would put the coal industry out of business. It's only a matter of time until the Democratic party turns on animal agriculture farmers.


The point I'm trying to make is that while, yes, more liberals are environmentalists than conservatives, I don't see how it's connected with liberalism itself. As I said, you can draw the same parallels with religiosity but it would be a stretch to relate the two.

If anything it has to do with trusting science, :lol:

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So here's a fun question, do you believe eating meat is a sin? And why?


...interesting question since we know that God found the aroma of Abel's animal sacrifice pleasing and of course the animal sacrifices demanded of Israel were also consumed after the rituals . The best answer I can give you is that God allows it , for a time .

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The point I'm trying to make is that while, yes, more liberals are environmentalists than conservatives, I don't see how it's connected with liberalism itself. As I said, you can draw the same parallels with religiosity but it would be a stretch to relate the two.


The parallels aren't the same. Did Obama have a global conference in France about atheism? Are liberals in Congress and the White House actively pursuing legislation which will slow the growth of religion?

Combating climate change is part of the Democratic platform. Consistent liberals should be vegan, even without considering animal suffering.
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...interesting question since we know that God found the aroma of Abel's animal sacrifice pleasing and of course the animal sacrifices of Israel were also consumed after the rituals . The best answer I can give you is that God allows it , for a time .


Good thing... no man should feel guilty eating a steak once in a while.
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Apparently I don't love animals because I enjoy eating steaks 3-5 times a week.

The cows I eat live a very good life, they're raised birth to death, never having to worry about food or shelter.

In exchange for a few meals. :)
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I thought that this was a Jehovah's Wittness thing only, those pamphlets that they hand out feature it at times


...you thought wrong...it is a teaching borrowed from Christianity . The lion can not lay down with the lamb if the lamb is worried about being eaten .

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The parallels aren't the same. Did Obama have a global conference in France about atheism? Are liberals in Congress and the White House actively pursuing legislation which will slow the growth of religion?

Combating climate change is part of the Democratic platform. Consistent liberals should be vegan, even without considering animal suffering.


I would grant that it's part of the Democratic platform, and that for those whom the environment is a top issue, they tend to support them. Also regarding your example, atheism isn't necessarily concerned with the activity of others whereas environmentalism necessarily is.
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