Lets look at what you say.
1. "Israel plays second-fiddle to America, they are subordinate.” The events last year and this year contradict what you said. The US was negotiating with Iran, Israel said it was going to attack Iran regardless, and the US subsequently agreed, with Israel, to also attack iran. ergo, the US in this instance, "plays second-fiddle to <Israel>, they <America> are subordinate <to Israel>.
2. "Helping shitty people fight shittier people is as grey as it gets" You mean like when the US helped Saddam to attack Iran, because the US was still chafing from having the Shah deposed in Iran? Or what about Benjanmin Netanyahu funding Hamas. TBH I am giving Israel a pass in this entire thread, I mean we all see what they are now so no surprises when they bomb an elementary girls school, but the US is literally the bully in the playground right now, ergo you have my attention.
3. "Everyone who is attacking Israel is garbage that has also been attacking America." The US is on the far side of the planet. Do you not see the problem with your statement? The US is stepping on other peoples land and they don't like it. If you think that all the people on the far side of the world is garbage, then stay on your own side of the world. You killed all the Indian nations, no need to kill all the nations of the world, thanks. Also, last I checked Iran did not bomb the United States of America. It was the US that came to Iran in the 1950's, that destroyed Iran, that crippled Iran, that sanctioned Iran, that encouraged Iraq, then betrayed Iraq all while messing with Iran and funding terrorist groups.
4. I liked this next one "For 40 years. Enough is enough. Chant "death to America" enough times and you can't act surprised when we rain death on you." Sir, are you forgetting, this is the far side of the world, where the US stepped in, destroyed multiple countries and laid the foundations for this hate. Look at recent events - The US was negotiating with Iran and during the negotiations it attacked Iran. The US is the bad faith actor that Iran has had to deal with for 70+ years. Is Iran rabid? yes. but who injected it with rabies?
5. “Israel has not attacked Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Egypt.” In the last two years Israel has flattened Gaza, bulldozered the West Bank, carried out terrorist attacks in Lebanon, Bombed Syria and the Iranian Embassy there, Bombed Iran, Air strikes on Yemen and Bombed a Nato Ally - Qatar and lets not forget literally shredding the UN charter while presiding over a genocide and ethnic cleansing. It has not attacked Jordan, Saudi or Egypt? fantastic, lets give them a star of david medal.
in summary, Nothing you say is rooted in reality.
Also can we please leave Israel out of this, let Israel do what it wants with Iran and lets try to keep it about the US, cheers. On that note Donald Trump has bombed Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, Venzuela and Yemen, while staking claims on Greenland and threatening the world. So America #1, except I think we are going by different metrics.
Finally your debating tactics appear to be to dismiss facts, not accept points and attack the person you are debating with. Its like you feel your standing on a podium lecturing the masses. honestly you would win more debates if you could properly concede any of the above.
1. This is conjecture at best, but I'm willing to admit it's possible in this case that Israel said that they wanted to attack Iran and asked for help. Even taking your assumptions at face value this does not suggest we play second fiddle to them. They asked us to attack our enemy and we agreed... because they have long been our enemy. If Israel asked us to attack Jordan and we did, you would be correct, that would show subordination to Israel. That's not what happened though. We've been preparing to attack Iran and then we attacked Iran.
2. Yes... You're just giving examples of exactly what I said, this is in no way a contradiction. That is grey. It seems you agree that what I say is rooted in reality.
3. I've already mentioned quite recently in this thread a few of the many acts of terrorism Iran has attempted, perpetrated or orchestrated against Americans. Civus Americanus Sum. If you attack Americans, you attack America. This is not a new concept. Add to this that, as I mentioned, they have tried to kill/kidnap American officials on American soil, which even you surely can not deny is an attack on America.
By the way, Europeans killed most of the Native Americans literally before the American national identity existed. I've told you this before, but maybe if you read a history book like you enjoy telling other people to do it would stick in your memory.
4. You put a mad dog down, as someone in this thread put it. Examining modes of transmission is for the post-mortem. Iran is rabid, as you said. You may give a rabid dog a day or two(or 40+ years in this case) out of compassion or guilt, chained up, to see if it gets better on it's own. When it doesn't you don't release it. You put it down and get a new dog for the kids.
5. If you read the conversation that you're pulling snippets out of, you would know that I was responding directly to someone who brought up those countries. You haven't made a point here, go read it again.
I've also told you this already, America did not bomb Nigeria, we bombed terrorists who were in Nigeria in cooperation with the Nigerian government. You are just lying when you keep rehashing these old points that you know are wrong. You know you aren't fooling me, are you attempting to fool yourself or is this purely performative?
You can not win a serious debate. Lying prevents you from even gaining anything from it.
This post was edited by Shadowoffury on Mar 3 2026 02:17pm