"I don't need to hear what one side says, because I have already pre-determined their motivations."

That's what your post said. Why not just be precise in your wording?

Ok so explain to me what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
Putin and his gang are full of shit, they say they are the victims while leading an invasion and committing a genocide.

Don't tell me you want to protect Russian oligarchy and the Russian political "elite"
Inb4 you want to relativise Butcha, Mariopol and Avdiivka.

Putin has been terrorizing his own and foreign countries since he came to power.
Good example: Making up reasons to declare war on a country which is not valid.
In Ukraine he's fighting against a nazi government which is lead by a jew.

Just pay attention to Putin in the video. He's uncomfortable and nervous speaking about his made up shit. And tucker is just sitting there, laughing and nodding.

Near as I can tell, Russia isn't in Ukraine. They're responding to a call for aid from the Donbas Republics, and have been fighting to eject Ukrainians from the Donbas Republics.

Note: I'm American. I don't care. I just don't. I only wish to not have my tax dollars and the arsenal of my military taken away and gifted to corrupt pieces of shit thousands of miles away. I also don't want valued trade partners cut off, harming my own nation's economy for no notable benefit.

So, to reiterate, the Maidan Revolution was the violent conquest of the Ukrainian government by pro-west rebels who declared themselves the new government, undemocratically, after conquering the democratically elected government. The Donbas Republics and Crimea refused to bow down to the new and improved, self-proclaimed overlords. The current "war" involves the Donbas Republics, who have been under invasion by the "government" in Kiev since 2014. Kiev has failed to conquer the Republics to this point, and therefore has no right to claim rulership over them. The officials of the Republics formally requested aid, then Protectorate Status from Russia.

The so-called "invasion" of Ukraine is based on the idea that Russians are actually invading Ukraine. Yet when and how are they doing so? They're fighting to remove Ukrainian invaders from the Donbas Republics. The only "invasion" would have been the convoy that stopped short of Kiev and just hung out for several months. That, in military terms, is called a "feint". Where you put pressure in an area you have no interest in securing, so that that area does not send reinforcements to the area you actually care about.

It feels like I'm talking to simpletons, ngl.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 18 2024 03:19pm

I see your education is based on Russian brainwash instead of general education. So I’m glad I can help you out here.



This is pure Russian propaganda. Do you know how the second world war started? Nazi Germany faked an attack on their own country which was performed by Germans. This was the reason for Hitler to attack Poland.

The so called Donetsk People’s Republic is occupied by Russian and is factually Ukranian territory.
Just a quick reminder that Russia is striking targets all over Ukraine (Odessa, Lviv, Myolaiv etc. → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_strikes_against_Ukrainian_infrastructure_(2022%E2%80%93present) not just Donbass regions, having killed thousands of civilians in the course.



Pro-west rebels? Since when are ukrainian people rebels? The Maidan protests are a result of Yanukovich trying to cut ties with an EU association agreement. The Ukranian people disapproved that and as a result the Ukranian parliament voted 328-0 to remove Yanukovich as president.
If there is anything anti democratic then it’s Yanukovich switching from a liberal, pro European position, for which he has been elected, to a corrupt, cryonistic and suppressive regime. That’s why the protests from Maidan started. And Yanukovich had no backing among the Ukrainian population anymore.



This almost sounds like sci-fi. I already suggest you take an independent history book to get your facts straight. There was no bowing down, people lived in peace until Russia invaded the country for no reason. The only reason is that he wants to eradicate every free speech and democratic values in Ukraine because he despises them. The same he does in Russia were he puts people in jail just for holding up a white flag.




Again nonsense. Try find a valid source for this but other than conspiracy sites you won’t find any. You should really check your general education. I would want to find an answer to this but this statement is so ridiculous I can’t start anywhere to begin with.



Ukraine conquering their own territory? That statement is so wrong in itself it’s hilarious.
It was, is and always will be Ukranian territory. The Russian invasion is not recognized by anybody in the world except by Russian neoimperialist Putin.



Wrong, the „officials“ who are ruling the country have been installed by Russia. There is no freedom of speech and no democracy there at this point, just like in Russia.
The unrest was created by Russian military and intelligence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine
All of what you can read there is a evidence for a Russian invasion rather than a call for help.




Are you living under a rock? Have you not been following any media outlet in the last 2 years? There are million sources that clearly depict that Russia has invaded Ukraine and they’d probably go beyond that, invading other countries as well when they have conquered all of Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine




Donbas is Ukranian territory. Russia is trying to take it by force. That’s why Ukranians are fighting back. Anything else is Russian propaganda.

I don’t know how you can believe this nonsense, living in a country like America which allows access to independant information.

Did you know that Polish people are living in former German territory that was given to them as a result of Germany losing the 2nd world war? And Russia took territory from Poland. Do Germany or Poland have the right to reclaim their territory? No. Has it ever been historically theirs? Yes.

It’s just so easy to tear apart your misinformation, please give me more so I can debunk your falsehoods.

I love how the US is on “stolen land” but literally every other square inch of the earth can be considered the consequences of losing a war……………..,

What a massive pile of blathering bullshit. The largest, most important part of it all, which I notice you did not address? WHY should Americans give two shits about Ukraine, the Donbas Republics, OR Crimea? WHY should our tax dollars and military stockpiles be sent to Ukraine? Explain this to me. We were NOT trade partners with Ukraine. We were NOT allies with Ukraine. WHY are we imposing sanctions that are harming US in favor of the most corrupt government in the developed world?

As to the rest of that useless pile of complete shit, I've pulled out what's relevant. Let's hit it one by one.

1. No, after the violent coup, the parliament was held at gunpoint by the revolutionaries and told what to vote for and they did. A coerced vote is not a vote at all.

2. No, after the violent coup, the Donbas Republics declared independence, as they had neither vote nor representation in the rebel government. The new and improved Rebel government failed to conquer the Donbas Republics, therefore they had no claim to that land. Which part of this do you not understand?

3. That's an even hotter load of shit, and talking as though Ukraine believes in freedom of speech when they've been jailing and killing any journalist who speaks out against their invasion of the Donbas Republics and their conscription of the western Ukrainian population to throw into the meat grinder against them and their Russian allies is too funny.

You speak of propaganda a lot, and it's clear why, as you're full of nothing but. Now answer the real question: What benefit is it to the citizens of the United States to have our nation involved in any way, shape, or form? It's a regional dispute. We are not allied with Ukraine, we are not trade partners with Ukraine, we gain nothing supporting Ukraine. Yet we WERE trade partners with Russia, and have suffered severely by cutting them off as a trade partner and cutting them off from the USD.

Where are the hundreds of billions worth in cash and weapons we sent to Ukraine? Why is Zelenski being called out by his own generals for "taking too large a cut" of the provided funds? What has Ukraine accomplished by sacrificing the majority of their male population by invading the Republics rather than simply withdrawing?

Well that's simply not true at all. You just don't consume anything besides US news.

We don’t get Lumberjack quarterly in Texas, sorry.

According to RFK jr, the us president candidate it is cause BlackRock is doing a land grab.


The money they give or loan to Ukraine will with some contract signed force Ukraine to sell what they can later to the highest bidder, the weapons they send, contracts of Lockheed and a bunch of other weapon companies are owned by BlackRock, they make money of the destruction of Ukraine and also the rebuild (contracts on rebuilding are given blackrock), and are therefor out to own ukraine.

Im not quoting right now and I'm not so knowledgeable on this subject, this conflict, what all these weapon contractors are etc but been listening to rfk jr so bunch the past couple of days and here is an interview where he talks about it. To me his version seem closer to the truth than the official story that Ukraine was invaded for no reason at all, but I posted something about the lead up to it earlier, don't remember if he went through some of that in this particular podcast .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw0hjpmEyfY

Talks about it from maybe the 20-40 min mark or something. finally I hear someone else saying the corona pandemic was about economic warfare against the people, idk why more can't just get it... big business taking over through making millions of small companies going bankrupt cause of their corrupt directives of shutting everything down, forcing injection passports on people, etc.

The war seemed to me to be a distraction also cause of all the growing protests that were beginning to get difficult to handle by the overworked police forces in a lot of places. The corona propaganda almost disappeared overnight and restrictions upheld, weird diagrams were shown of the "spread of a new version" like in a not believable way at all. But oohh yeah it's "Omicron now" calm down people it's over, it's not so dangerous anymore, just Omicron everywhere all of a sudden (like over a couple weeks they showed soo "convincingly" how all the cases got replaced by a new version of the virus. Just mutaded everywhere almost at once and the old went away..nothing to see here, sorry pandemic is over, old version gone, new version in, easy now people no need to protest further, we made it!

This post was edited by TidsL on Feb 18 2024 10:47pm

Same link as above: