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Jun 12 2023 05:11am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 11 2023 08:27pm)
The classification status is irrelevant to this discussion. Trump's documents are not presidential records as they are departmental documents which are explicitly excluded from being presidential records.

If Trump had been found with handwritten documents detailing classified information then you could maybe use that as case law in support of Trump, but that isn't what's happening.


It doesn’t need to be copied on a separate sheet of paper. The President IS the executive branch, he does not answer to the archivist. Even after he leaves office. Case precedent has made this VERY clear and the constitution does as well.
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Jun 12 2023 06:35am
Democrats been crying wolf for 8 years now and not many of the allegations have proven true. The ones that have are petty when compared to the claims made. Also, some claims have been proven totally fabricated. Perhaps this indictment differs?, but a large portion of populous sees these stories as more of same pattern of cry wolf propaganda rehtoric. Sadly, this publicity only helps Trump and his election strategy. Worse, if he actually does something substantially bad, populous will not care much as they've been misled so many times. Even worse, the limited resources of gov wasted in frivolous cases.

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Jun 12 2023 07:07am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 12 2023 02:07am)
. But if you charge Trump for the violation of articles in the Espionage Act which are independent from obstruction, then it reeks of politicized justice to not go after Biden for the same infringements.


This part is really dumb. The only reason he's being charged with anything is he didn't comply with a year of requests to return the documents.
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Jun 12 2023 07:09am
Quote (Redeemed777 @ Jun 12 2023 06:11am)
It doesn’t need to be copied on a separate sheet of paper. The President IS the executive branch, he does not answer to the archivist. Even after he leaves office. Case precedent has made this VERY clear and the constitution does as well.


I don't think you're understanding.

A document that is a record of a government department is not a presidential record. Period. End of story. Trump does not have the power to change that because it's what the law explicitly says.

So if the pentagon prepares a report on attacking a country, that will never be a presidential record.
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Jun 12 2023 07:19am
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 11 2023 09:37pm)
You mean like when they subpoenaed Hillary to hand over her emails?
Or does that just not count in lefty world?


For the 5000000 time the republicans said there was nothing to charge her on. I wish they would have just so you can take you 5 year old “but what about Hillary”. Grow up
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Jun 12 2023 07:21am
Quote (Redeemed777 @ Jun 12 2023 04:11am)
It doesn’t need to be copied on a separate sheet of paper. The President IS the executive branch, he does not answer to the archivist. Even after he leaves office. Case precedent has made this VERY clear and the constitution does as well.


More of the Jedi mind trick defense. Do better
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Jun 12 2023 07:30am
So if im understanding this right, Trump did something others have done before but the difference is hes obstructing the investigation which others weren't stupid enough to do?
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Jun 12 2023 07:42am
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So if im understanding this right, Trump did something others have done before but the difference is hes obstructing the investigation which others weren't stupid enough to do?


He also lied and hid documents and lots of them are still unaccounted for.
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Jun 12 2023 08:08am
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So if im understanding this right, Trump did something others have done before but the difference is hes obstructing the investigation which others weren't stupid enough to do?


Hillary obstructed the investigation by destroying evidence. Thor is getting forgetful.
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Jun 12 2023 08:26am
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Hillary obstructed the investigation by destroying evidence. Thor is getting forgetful.


Then the Republicans that were in charge of her case should of charged her.. "whAT HillARy DiD" is boring and old.
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