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Jan 14 2019 01:30pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 14 2019 12:25pm)
He gets scrutinized to a degree that no previous public figure ever has..


You need to catch up on your fox news through the Obama years

you know, the largest viewed network

where they had people pushing birtherism and Glenn Beck had a job for years on that giant network where he mainstreamed racist conspiracy against the first black President

you know

the guy not openly tweeting racism and hatred and such
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Quote (Skinned @ Jan 14 2019 12:26pm)
Obama was scrutinized way more lol. Clinton was impeached over a BJ. Quit the fake oppression stuff you sound like a woman.


obama??????? the hero of the free world????LMFAAO. I liked bill clinton. I thought the bj deal was b.s., anyone would do the same if they had to live with hillary.( the biggest piece of trash known to mankind)
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Quote (Skinned @ Jan 14 2019 12:26pm)
Obama was scrutinized way more lol. Clinton was impeached over a BJ. Quit the fake oppression stuff you sound like a woman.


No, he was not.

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For its report, the Media Research Center did a lot of visual spadework. It viewed some 1,007 evening news stories about the Trump White House on ABC, CBS and NBC from June 1 to Sept. 30. That's the equivalent of about 32.7 hours of coverage, by TV standards an eternity of news time.

What they found was, as Trump himself might say, sad: "Over the summer, the broadcast networks have continued to pound Donald Trump and his team with the most hostile coverage of a president in TV news history — 92% negative, vs. just 8% positive."

Moreover, the very focus of what the media cover is highly selective. Some two-thirds of the Trump coverage came from five topics, including the Russia investigation, immigration, the Brett Kavanaugh nomination, North Korea, and U.S.-Russia relations.


https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-hatred-coverage/

There are stats out there that prove that his negative coverage far exceeds Obamas.



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Jan 14 2019 01:32pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 14 2019 02:28pm)
Depends on the exact definition of "conspiracy".



Clinton was NOT impeached for the BJ, he was impeached for lying to Congress under oath.


What was he lying about? Why was there a hearing? What was the question he lied about and why was there a hearing about the president's sex life? And where are they now that we have a pres that is also a John for prostitutes?

He was impeached over a BJ by a group of pederast Republicans.


Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 14 2019 02:30pm)
No, he was not.



https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-hatred-coverage/

There are stats out there that prove that his negative coverage far exceeds Obamas.


All coverage is good coverage and Trump owes CNN a thank you letter for getting that turd so much coverage.

Hard to believe you still don't know that CNN and Trump have been helping each other. You special.

Obama was scrutinized waaaaay more. He bowed to the fucking emperor of Japan and people flipped out. Trump makes fun of Parkinson's and it doesn't matter lol.

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What was he lying about? Why was there a hearing? What was the question he lied about and why was there a hearing about the president's sex life? And where are they now that we have a pres that is also a John for prostitutes?

He was impeached over a BJ by a group of pederast Republicans.


and now Republicans scream witch hunt from the top of their lungs ever day
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 14 2019 02:25pm)
He gets scrutinized to a degree that no previous public figure ever has. Some of it is on him, a lot of is just ceaseless tears. I don't watch the late night TV shows but literally, every time I happen to stumble upon one during the last 2 years they are riding Trump's dick.

You with this Russia nonsense suspended your critical thinking and just ate it up because it always fit your confirmation bias. So caught up in the minutiae that you're missing the political bullshit forest.


Well yeah... because we've never had a president so consistently act like an asshat. Plus the news networks are so Washington focused these days that it's just 24/7 US political programming, and Trump takes up all of the oxygen.

I'm focusing on the news media, not entertainers. I've never watched late night. I think our society in general, including entertainment, is getting more political, which is something I don't like at all.
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Quote (Skinned @ Jan 14 2019 12:32pm)
What was he lying about? Why was there a hearing? What was the question he lied about and why was there a hearing about the president's sex life? And where are they now that we have a pres that is also a John for prostitutes?

He was impeached over a BJ by a group of pederast Republicans.




All coverage is good coverage and Trump owes CNN a thank you letter for getting that turd so much coverage.

Hard to believe you still don't know that CNN and Trump have been helping each other. You special.

Obama was scrutinized waaaaay more.


Meanwhile in reality:
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Pew: Trump media three times more negative than for Obama, just 5 percent positive


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The media’s coverage of President Trump has been overwhelmingly negative, more than three times more critical than the initial coverage of former President Barack Obama and twice that of former Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

The Pew Research Center said that the early coverage of Trump was 62 percent negative. By comparison, Obama’s coverage was just 20 percent negative.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pew-trump-media-three-times-more-negative-than-for-obama-just-5-percent-positive

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So I'm one of the only users who thinks a conspiracy almost certainly happened. But nobody wants to make a bet with me.

Interesting.


Kremlin conspiracies have a way of staying in the dark. If Putin is as heavily involved as some think there's zero chance you'll "find" proof. you might be given proof, but you won't find it.

the fucking guy is ex-KGB and has only sharpened his tools since then.

if trump was told something, emailed something, messaged something, if there was a meeting, etc. we won't find it.

ive said this repeatedly since the Mueller investigation started, pointed out this makes the investigation a massive waste of money, etc. Once Mueller indicted the russians for the actual interference it should have been over.

doesn't mean trump didn't do anything wrong, isn't compromised, etc. but until someone gets a legit motivation for Putin to get caught red handed in all of this the % chance it gets leaked is .00000001-0%

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Jan 14 2019 01:57pm
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Kremlin conspiracies have a way of staying in the dark. If Putin is as heavily involved as some think there's zero chance you'll "find" proof. you might be given proof, but you won't find it.
the fucking guy is ex-KGB and has only sharpened his tools since then.
if trump was told something, emailed something, messaged something, if there was a meeting, etc. we won't find it.%


Are we back to endowing our enemies with mythical powers to play up our fears and paranoia?
When you believe in a Missile Gap, its easy to justify escalation and armament and brinksmanship- even if the folks at the top know the pretense is bullshit. And funny how often those fears become weaponized for partisan political purposes. When democrats believe in a Spy Gap, they can rationalize conducting their own massive fake russian influence campaign to poison a senate election with fake facebook pages, propping up 3rd parties and impersonating Russian bots. Because they think the monsters are due on maple street and need to act first.

The russian actors from 2016 used a pretty primitive method to spearphish a password, paid for servers with bitcoins and put up a blog to release emails and spent some bucks of facebook advertising. I could probably have accomplished all that from my basement with my cursory hacking knowledge. And US agents tracked down and exposed the whole thing. It didn't stay secret. And it had Putin's mark from the moment the emails were out because it so neatly fit the tit-for-tat retaliation against Hillary for 2011. And when Russia agents assassinated Litvinenko and tried to get Skripal, their fingerprints were all over it and they had a rather literal trail to follow. It was clumsy and traced right back to them. Sophisticated tools perhaps, but primitive implementations. Russian intelligence had a long history of being crude but effective, of using a rubber hose rather than a lockpick. The KGB method was often one of brutal conspicuous action to send a message, not finely wrought stealth actions to make sure they never left a trail. Jabbing someone in the back with a ricin pellet fired from an umbrella is certainly sophisticated but also very visible and conspicuous. And as soon as double agents got suspected it didn't take long to expose them. Just slap someone to follow them to the hollow rock they use as a dead drop. And of course, the old joke always ended with the line about the KGB agents returning from the woods with a bruised bear that says "I am a rabbit. My mother and father were rabbits". Not exactly renowned for finesse.


when the requirement to believe in conspiracies becomes grander and grander claims of xanatos gambits and prescience and ability to masterfully hush up all trails to an action despite it being such a publicly scrutinized affair- it falls victim to occams razor. Its like the nonsense about Michael Cohen being in Prague, when we have mountains of evidence that he wasn't, and believing that he was means he's either a timetraveling/teleporting wizard or somehow traveled transatlantic in the post-9/11 security world in total secrecy and somehow left such an elaborate fake trail and had the foresight to know this was all necessary- even though he could have just used any encrypted messing tool and never gone in person.
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Are we back to endowing our enemies with mythical powers to play up our fears and paranoia?
When you believe in a Missile Gap, its easy to justify escalation and armament and brinksmanship- even if the folks at the top know the pretense is bullshit. And funny how often those fears become weaponized for partisan political purposes. When democrats believe in a Spy Gap, they can rationalize conducting their own massive fake russian influence campaign to poison a senate election with fake facebook pages, propping up 3rd parties and impersonating Russian bots. Because they think the monsters are due on maple street and need to act first.

The russian actors from 2016 used a pretty primitive method to spearphish a password, paid for servers with bitcoins and put up a blog to release emails and spent some bucks of facebook advertising. I could probably have accomplished all that from my basement with my cursory hacking knowledge. And US agents tracked down and exposed the whole thing. It didn't stay secret. And it had Putin's mark from the moment the emails were out because it so neatly fit the tit-for-tat retaliation against Hillary for 2011. And when Russia agents assassinated Litvinenko and tried to get Skripal, their fingerprints were all over it and they had a rather literal trail to follow. It was clumsy and traced right back to them. Sophisticated tools perhaps, but primitive implementations. Russian intelligence had a long history of being crude but effective, of using a rubber hose rather than a lockpick. The KGB method was often one of brutal conspicuous action to send a message, not finely wrought stealth actions to make sure they never left a trail. Jabbing someone in the back with a ricin pellet fired from an umbrella is certainly sophisticated but also very visible and conspicuous. And as soon as double agents got suspected it didn't take long to expose them. Just slap someone to follow them to the hollow rock they use as a dead drop. And of course, the old joke always ended with the line about the KGB agents returning from the woods with a bruised bear that says "I am a rabbit. My mother and father were rabbits". Not exactly renowned for finesse.


when the requirement to believe in conspiracies becomes grander and grander claims of xanatos gambits and prescience and ability to masterfully hush up all trails to an action despite it being such a publicly scrutinized affair- it falls victim to occams razor. Its like the nonsense about Michael Cohen being in Prague, when we have mountains of evidence that he wasn't, and believing that he was means he's either a timetraveling/teleporting wizard or somehow traveled transatlantic in the post-9/11 security world in total secrecy and somehow left such an elaborate fake trail and had the foresight to know this was all necessary- even though he could have just used any encrypted messing tool and never gone in person.


killing someone doesn't necessitate subtlety, quite to opposite it sends a message.

coercing one of the 2 people running for POTUS to do, well anything, necessitates subtlety and a lack of breadcrumbs.

cool story tho, brah.
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