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Mar 29 2020 04:41pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 29 2020 03:21pm)
Listening to Trump speak on this exact issue right now on Bloomberg. We have 10,000 extra ventilators according to him. We are building more but that takes time and it would be extremely irresponsible for us to essentially make sure one state is doing okay while to leave every other one until we can make ventilators. There will be acute outbreaks in large metros pretty soon where we have to deploy these ventilators rapidly, do you think one city, once they have these ventilators will just be more than happy to give them up once they get them?

You do realize ventilators are pretty complex machinery right? It's not like building basic preventative masks that you can churn out like its nothing.


I understand that they are difficult to build and that's obviously built into your supply model. I'm not trivializing the complexity, but I am saying that acting swiftly and decisively will save lives. Part of the issue will be resource allocation and rationing. New York won't be able to hang onto the ventilators forever because the Federal government has supremacy.

Given that a huge amount of COVID cases are in NY, it makes sense that they should get priority since it's an issue NOW. Keep in mind, we don't need to completely capitulate to NY. To me, it makes sense to give them priority for the time being. Granted, maybe the models say that NY is a lost cause. If so, then the President needs to say it. He'll be criticized and all that but he needs to deal with it because it's his job to lead. However, that doesn't appear to be the case since Trump's team agrees with Cuomo in terms of need.
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Mar 29 2020 04:42pm
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 30 2020 09:40am)
As far as I know it hasn't mutated yet. Hopefully it never will.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.dailymercury.com.au/news/australia-being-hit-by-multiple-covid-19-strains/3984475/&ved=2ahUKEwiV-6_C4MDoAhXL6XMBHXYbB2gQFjAFegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3BYGdfA-Ir8Yow36a91pzr
Multiple strains of covid, multiple strains of cov SARS also.

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Mar 29 2020 04:45pm
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Yeah, but that's Australia. They have 200 lb. spiders and snakes that could swallow a bus, etc. Who knows what could happen there. Btw, that link is pay-walled.
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Mar 29 2020 04:48pm
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 30 2020 09:45am)
Yeah, but that's Australia. They have 200 lb. spiders and snakes that could swallow a bus, etc. Who knows what could happen there. Btw, that link is pay-walled.


I used incognito to read it, its world wide, 11 strains is the estimate and one killed a healthy 16 year old in France yesterday.
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I used incognito to read it, its world wide, 11 strains is the estimate and one killed a healthy 16 year old in France yesterday.






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As the new coronavirus continues to spread around the globe, researchers say the virus is changing its genetic makeup slightly. But does that mean it is becoming more dangerous to humans? And what would the impact be on any future vaccines?

"In the literal sense of 'is it changing genetically,' the answer is absolutely yes," says Marc Lipsitch, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Harvard University. "What is in question is whether there's been any change that's important to the course of disease or the transmissibility or other things that we as humans care about."

So far, "there is no credible evidence of a change in the biology of the virus either for better or for worse," says Lipsitch.

Coronaviruses — like all viruses — change small parts of their genetic code all the time.

"Viruses mutate naturally as part of their life cycle," says Ewan Harrison, scientific project manager for the COVID-19 Genomics UK Consortium, a new project that tracks the virus in the United Kingdom.

Like flu and measles, the coronavirus is an RNA virus. It's a microscopic package of genetic instructions bundled in a protein shell. When a virus infects a person, the string of genetic instructions enables the virus to spread by telling it how to replicate once it enters a cell. The virus makes copies of itself and pushes them out to other cells in the body. Infectious doses of the virus can be coughed out in droplets and inhaled by others.

Inevitably, viruses "make mistakes in their genomes" as they copy themselves, says Harrison. Those changes can accumulate and carry over to future copies of the virus. Researchers are using these small, cumulative changes to trace the pathway of the virus through groups of people.

So far, researchers who are tracking the genetic changes in SARS-CoV-2 — the official name for the coronavirus — say it seems relatively stable. It acquires about two mutations a month during this process of spread, Harrison says — about one-third to one-half the rate of the flu.

Coronaviruses differ from flu viruses in another key way that reduces the number of mutations. They proofread their own genomes when they copy themselves, cutting out things that don't seem right. "They maintain this ability to keep their genome pretty much intact," says Vineet Menachery, a virologist at the University of Texas Medical Branch. "The mutations that they incorporate are relatively rare."




Just saying.

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Mar 29 2020 09:24pm
Quote (Ghot @ 30 Mar 2020 00:40)
As far as I know it hasn't mutated yet. Hopefully it never will.


How about a little sacrifice ?
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Mar 29 2020 09:26pm
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 30 2020 09:50am)
Just saying.


So what you are saying is it has in fact mutated?
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How about a little sacrifice ?


Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 29 2020 11:26pm)
So what you are saying is it has in fact mutated?





Sorry guys. The US will survive this... intact.
I know that's not what you want to hear, but alas, that's how the cookie crumbles. :)
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Mar 29 2020 09:57pm
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 30 2020 02:40pm)
Sorry guys. The US will survive this... intact.
I know that's not what you want to hear, but alas, that's how the cookie crumbles. :)


Not sure how you do not realise that the USA is not intact right now.
Do you know how much money two trillion dollars is?
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Mar 29 2020 10:08pm
Trump says keeping US Covid-19 deaths to 100,000 would be a ‘very good job’

good job.
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