i will give the palestine supporters one point, israel and jews as a group do enjoy a crazy amount of support and everything happening to a jew gets blown up to epic proportions
the same western politicians, who cant even deport illegal immigrant rapists, have produced statements on how hamas supporters should be deported
yikes
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 19 2023 06:27pm)
Correct, you're one of several strawman enthusiasts in pard. its a disease of the intellectually lazy. easier to make assumptions than ask for clarification. i do it too sometimes, im just not a coward so im willing to admit im wrong if someone corrects me. even in a completely anonymous forum that takes more courage than most people have, and it takes very little.
the problem here is we were on the cusp of real progress with the passing of the Abraham accords, and post October 7th i'm more upset with Israel's response than anything else. they took the bait, i said they would before they even loaded up the first bomb, and it happened. im just glad they havent been even worse, as i suspected they would be. hamas cant be defeated by bombs, or even occupation. they must be defeated economically. but where we sit today occupation is required for that economic solution. it wasnt on october 6th, it is today. the only realistic alternative is for Israel to create a DMZ and let Gaza rot as it sits today.
but hey, maybe im wrong, i'm happy to listen to any info im missing from those not scared to put it forward.
you are not wrong at all, sending the military after them is like attacking a hill of ants with a hammer
unfortunately western antisemites and liberals cant stop sending money to hamas so they can stay afloat
the place needs to be cut off from all external financing until a change happens from within
Quote (fender @ Oct 19 2023 07:10pm)
international law and experts disagree ("Despite the 2005 Israeli disengagement from Gaza, the United Nations, international human rights organisations, and the majority of governments and legal commentators consider the territory to be still occupied by Israel...") - yes i know, all nazis and anti-semites of course - but whatever you prefer to call your daily violations of palestinian rights, whatever you rationalised your apartheid policies as, it doesn't change the simple conclusion:
your current slaughtering of innocent civilians will inevitably create a new generation of radicals hating your guts. if nothing fundamentally changes (genocide or finally ending the illegal occupation), no walls, no extra-super-cereal-for-real-this-time occupation / blockade / disenfranchisement / oppression / apartheid system will prevent the aforementioned and well documented by history turn of events.
your desperate bickering over words in order to delude yourself doesn't change the cruel reality about life in gaza - about who dictates what they can and can't build, what they can and can't have, which resources they can and can't exploit, how much of their own water they get to drink, how much medical supplies they can receive, where they can and can't go...
your silly "israel doesn't have to open its borders" line conveniently ignores the fact that a significant part of gaza's border is the mediterranean sea, not israel. so do they control that, are they free to trade then? no, because in reality YOU control that border as well. so much for that dishonest occupier talking point... seems like you simply can't be honest about anything. let me guess, it's your "bad english" that will have to serve as an excuse for being caught in a lie again?
exactly fender, israel should allow open trade so hamas can load up on weapons even more and start an even bigger war with big time equipment
my god, this is so dumb
you really think the jews have nothing better to do than to build absurd defenses and guard them 24/7 for fun
the borders could be open.....unfortunately that is not possible