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Jan 24 2019 02:48pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jan 24 2019 02:30pm)
Can you explain what build the wall and maga chants have to do with an anti abortion rally? Kinda curious.


right after you explain what Native American rights have to do with an abortion rally. i'd answer first but the timeline dictates you need to. unless the guys hopped out of the march to approach people with a wall chant, which they of course didn't.

you can try to make it a chicken-egg thing but it really isnt. one group had a legit reason to show up that day, the other were agitators. who went on to play the victims like a bunch of soyboi cucks.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 24 Jan 2019 21:11)
she's black tho.

i find it funny that so many people like to highlight the idiocy of identity politics then ignore how strong those identities are.

look at 2016, "white woman" became a label for "trump voter because of what husband wants". so clearly race means more than sex in the identity politics hierarchy.

I know that America is getting woke to the woman's struggle in society but blackness is still a far more powerful beacon. its not even close. if you dont live in america i can understand not getting that tho, race in america is a "you had to be there" thing.

for the record we clearly disagree on platform by a wide margin. i say platform doesnt matter she's black, you say "but but but her platform". that's an impasse, and for that reason, im out.


Oh, I totally get that race is a powerful identity, more powerful than female identity for sure.

That's exactly why I already said that I expect a particularly strong backlash from white conservatives if it is Kamala Harris instead of someone else, say Beto, who's running on a platform of CJ reform and all-around "wokeness".


Let me look at it from a different perspective: I believe that being black was a big net positive for Obama exactly because he did not lean into his blackness, because he did intentionally not play the race card during his campaigns. Simply being a black candidate was enough to get unheard of levels of black turnout, while his low profile on racial issues prevented a large-scale "whitelash".

Some people say that Trump's surge in turnout and margin from rural and working-class whites, which won him the election, was a "whitelash". I dont really agree with this notion, but let's run with it: So even when a white candidate ran on a platform of wokeness in 2016, it already triggered a whitelash. What do you think will happen when in 2020, it is a black candidate who's running on that same platform?


You keep emphasizing that "she's black", and therefore her platform supposedly doesnt matter. My point simply is that being black is a double-edged sword, it can be an advantage (see: Obama) or a disadvantage (see: countless examples on the congressional level) and the platform does very well influence the side a candidate falls on.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jan 24 2019 10:45pm)
Where were they insulted?
And i would argue that it is not, might want to read the bible.


wahhmen is already turned towards the pupils as the video begins, also the first second and a half of the 7 second clip feels MUTED

what would make a brave & empowered female post a DoCtOrEd version of the encounter? what is she hiding?

how high is the likelihood that the a harmless piece of clothing caused a formerly factually proven homophobe/racist wahmen relapse back to her bigoted intolerant roots ?
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Jan 24 2019 02:52pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 25 2019 07:48am)
right after you explain what Native American rights have to do with an abortion rally. i'd answer first but the timeline dictates you need to. unless the guys hopped out of the march to approach people with a wall chant, which they of course didn't.

you can try to make it a chicken-egg thing but it really isnt. one group had a legit reason to show up that day, the other were agitators. who went on to play the victims like a bunch of soyboi cucks.


I don't care WHO you are, if you stand around in maga gear chanting build the wall and maga you are going to get opposition, end of story.
They were out there trying to provoke people, its as simple as that.

Trying to paint these asshole anti abortion kids as some kind of saints is just pathetic, they are there to try to oppress woman and as a bonus are trying to offend anyone else they come across.
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Jan 25 2019 07:51am)
wahhmen is already turned towards the pupils as the video begins, also the first second and a half of the 7 second clip feels MUTED

what would make a brave & empowered female post a DoCtOrEd version of the encounter? what is she hiding?

how high is the likelihood that the a harmless piece of clothing caused a formerly factually proven homophobe/racist wahmen relapse back to her bigoted intolerant roots ?


They started filming after the idiots started shouting..
Thats kinda how it happens, you do not just walk up filming people who are not doing anything.

The native americans were there for some other event.
As to the black israelites, they are always there being assholes apparently.



This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jan 24 2019 02:54pm
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 24 2019 02:48pm)
Oh, I totally get that race is a powerful identity, more powerful than female identity for sure.

That's exactly why I already said that I expect a particularly strong backlash from white conservatives if it is Kamala Harris instead of someone else, say Beto, who's running on a platform of CJ reform and all-around "wokeness".


Let me look at it from a different perspective: I believe that being black was a big net positive for Obama exactly because he did not lean into his blackness, because he did intentionally not play the race card during his campaigns. Simply being a black candidate was enough to get unheard of levels of black turnout, while his low profile on racial issues prevented a large-scale "whitelash".

Some people say that Trump's surge in turnout and margin from rural and working-class whites, which won him the election, was a "whitelash". I dont really agree with this notion, but let's run with it: So even when a white candidate ran on a platform of wokeness in 2016, it already triggered a whitelash. What do you think will happen when in 2020, it is a black candidate who's running on that same platform?


You keep emphasizing that "she's black", and therefore her platform supposedly doesnt matter. My point simply is that being black is a double-edged sword, it can be an advantage (see: Obama) or a disadvantage (see: countless examples on the congressional level) and the platform does very well influence the side a candidate falls on.


the bold is silly. the blackness was all over his campaign. at my college i saw black guys with 1.5 GPAs running all over campus getting votes. did he have a slogan on posters that said "can a nigga get a vote"? no. but to call his campaign anything but a black empowerment wave is ignorant. maybe another "you had to be there" thing tho.

the underlined is bad application of transferative logic. u cant compare congressional black runs with presidential, the electorate doesnt work like a state and is incomparable.


trump needs to fear any black candidate, it's really that simple. the modern liberal platform is plug-and-play compatible with any black candidate without a nasty sorted past (obviously no Farrakhan or w.e.)

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jan 24 2019 02:52pm)
I don't care WHO you are, if you stand around in maga gear chanting build the wall and maga you are going to get opposition, end of story.
They were out there trying to provoke people, its as simple as that.

Trying to paint these asshole anti abortion kids as some kind of saints is just pathetic, they are there to try to oppress woman and as a bonus are trying to offend anyone else they come across.


im not trying to paint them as saints, but you're trying to paint them as devils. tell me who the biased fuckboi is here bud?


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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jan 24 2019 08:52pm)
I don't care WHO you are, if you stand around in maga gear chanting build the wall and maga you are going to get opposition, end of story.
They were out there trying to provoke people, its as simple as that.

Trying to paint these asshole anti abortion kids as some kind of saints is just pathetic, they are there to try to oppress woman and as a bonus are trying to offend anyone else they come across.


but....
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Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 25 2019 07:53am)
the bold is silly. the blackness was all over his campaign. at my college i saw black guys with 1.5 GPAs running all over campus getting votes. did he have a slogan on posters that said "can a nigga get a vote"? no. but to call his campaign anything but a black empowerment wave is ignorant. maybe another "you had to be there" thing tho.

the underlined is bad application of transferative logic. u cant compare congressional black runs with presidential, the electorate doesnt work like a state and is incomparable.


trump needs to fear any black candidate, it's really that simple. the modern liberal platform is plug-and-play compatible with any black candidate without a nasty sorted past (obviously no Farrakhan or w.e.)



im not trying to paint them as saints, but you're trying to paint them as devils. tell me who the biased fuckboi is here bud?


They are not devils, they are assholes, what part of travelling from kentucky to washington to protest a womans right to her own body screams nice kids to you?
Their actions were dickish from the start and never improved, all the whataboutism's in the world do not make these kids look any better in my eyes.
The black israelites were also assholes.
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Jan 24 2019 02:56pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jan 24 2019 10:52pm)
you do not just walk up filming people who are not doing anything.


thats exactly what the fake Vietnam veteran's posse did while approaching the underage pupils who at the time were verbally assaulted in form of racial+homophobic slurs by a black-supremacist hategroup
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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Jan 25 2019 07:56am)
thats exactly what the fake Vietnam veteran's posse did while approaching the underage pupils who at the time were verbally assaulted in form of racial+homophobic slurs by a black-supremacist hategroup


They tried to defuse the situation and probably prevented it from getting violent, there is a 2 hour video of it and i am an hour in, not much has happened besides a bunch of assholes yelling at eachother so far.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 24 Jan 2019 21:53)
the bold is silly. the blackness was all over his campaign. at my college i saw black guys with 1.5 GPAs running all over campus getting votes. did he have a slogan on posters that said "can a nigga get a vote"? no. but to call his campaign anything but a black empowerment wave is ignorant. maybe another "you had to be there" thing tho.

the underlined is bad application of transferative logic. u cant compare congressional black runs with presidential, the electorate doesnt work like a state and is incomparable.


trump needs to fear any black candidate, it's really that simple. the modern liberal platform is plug-and-play compatible with any black candidate without a nasty sorted past (obviously no Farrakhan or w.e.)


I wasnt closely following American politics in 2008, so maybe my idea of how that campaign went is wrong, I'll admit that.

Btw, you might be getting me wrong anyway: I also think that Trump would have to take a black candidate seriously. It's just... as things are standing right now, I believe that reelection will be difficult for Trump against any remotely competent opponent. He has to fear everyone at this point. But if he's running against a black candidate and/or a candidate running on the Hillary platform again, then he can just repeat his 2016 playbook, which he already knows well and which has already proven its effectiveness.

So when I said that "Harris might be one of the easiest candidates for Trump to beat", it meant that in relative terms: "out of all the tough races he could potentially face, Harris might - comparatively - be one of the easiest for him to win".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 24 2019 03:02pm
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