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Jan 22 2019 04:48pm
Quote (Beowulf @ 22 Jan 2019 23:29)
yeah, smaller schools guns are a part of hobby life so it's not something new or scary and the administrators and principles have a close relationship with the local sheriffs

and in conservative areas those local sheriffs are actually recommending teachers think about it because of response time

if you have a 50 person elementary school off the beaten path giving a teacher or principle that is with those kids every day and knows them and their families very well access and training to defense during that wait time could make a huge difference


above all, those teachers in rural schools are probably well-trained and responsible gun owners anyway, so if they feel comfortable with it, why not allow them to carry their gun to school?

putting a gun into the hands of a teacher who has never carried a gun in his/her entire life would, of course, be a bad idea.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/it-was-getting-ugly-native-american-drummer-speaks-maga-hat-wearing-teens-who-surrounded-him/?utm_term=.4cb5c6a282eb&noredirect=on

>Correction: Earlier versions of this story incorrectly said that Native American activist Nathan Phillips fought in the Vietnam War.Phillips served in the U.S. Marines from 1972 to 1976 but was never deployed to Vietnam.

https://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_1dc42c3dec10ec0d383aa008f55e4bf1

>Phillips: When I was there and I was standing there and I seen that group of people in front of me and I seen the angry faces and all of that, I realized I had put myself in a really dangerous situation. Here's a group of people who were angry at somebody else and I put myself in front of that, and all of a sudden, I'm the one whose all that anger and all that wanting to have the freedom to just rip me apart, that was scary. And I'm a Vietnam veteran and I know that mentality of "There's enough of us. We can do this."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/01/20/native-american-leader-nathan-phillips-recounts-incident-video/2630256002/

>Phillips said he grew up in an abusive home, started working on construction and lumber jobs, and then joined the Marines, serving in the Vietnam War.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/37503939/between-earth-and-sky

>“Nathan’s past is a difficult one. He was forced out of his family at the age of five to be integrated into a Catholic school — like so many other Native Americans — not being allowed to see his family for ten years. He was then a marine in Vietnam and right after that he became an alcoholic for 20 years. He said the only reason he managed to stop drinking was meeting Shoshana"
>125 backers pledged $6,097 to help bring this project to life.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 22 2019 04:48pm)
above all, those teachers in rural schools are probably well-trained and responsible gun owners anyway, so if they feel comfortable with it, why not allow them to carry their gun to school?

putting a gun into the hands of a teacher who has never carried a gun in his/her entire life would, of course, be a bad idea.


Heh. i know america has the image of a gun crazy mess, but that's a heck of an overstatement.

i come from super rural area in one of the biggest hunting states in the union, very very very very very few women are trained enough with guns that I'd hand them one. with women being the majority of teachers i'd doubt big time that the majority of rural area teachers are trained.

i think it would be more accurate to say they have a natural tendency to learning them and a far more sympathetic attitude towards guns overall. but im not aware of any place in the US where women are gun toting badasses, let alone hand guns.
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I would bet on Obama not having ever attended a Klan meeting
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Quote (thesnipa @ 23 Jan 2019 00:29)
Heh. i know america has the image of a gun crazy mess, but that's a heck of an overstatement.

i come from super rural area in one of the biggest hunting states in the union, very very very very very few women are trained enough with guns that I'd hand them one. with women being the majority of teachers i'd doubt big time that the majority of rural area teachers are trained.

i think it would be more accurate to say they have a natural tendency to learning them and a far more sympathetic attitude towards guns overall. but im not aware of any place in the US where women are gun toting badasses, let alone hand guns.


Yeah, sorry, I was sloppy phrasing it. What I meant is: those teachers from schools in rural districts who volunteer to carry a gun at school will mostly be gun-owners anyway. I didnt mean that some female teachers who never owned a gun and dont feel comfortable handling guns should now carry one at their school.

And even if females make up a majority of teachers and male teachers might tend to lean left as well, there will be at least one or two gun-owners among the teaching staff of a rural school, and that's enough.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 22 2019 06:29pm)
Heh. i know america has the image of a gun crazy mess, but that's a heck of an overstatement.

i come from super rural area in one of the biggest hunting states in the union, very very very very very few women are trained enough with guns that I'd hand them one. with women being the majority of teachers i'd doubt big time that the majority of rural area teachers are trained.

i think it would be more accurate to say they have a natural tendency to learning them and a far more sympathetic attitude towards guns overall. but im not aware of any place in the US where women are gun toting badasses, let alone hand guns.


I agree, but i've met some women that when I had to qualify for a pistol course, were easily outshooting me and a lot of the other men. I'm by no means good, but some of those women were amazing. Course, i also agree that this definitely isnt the majority. I don't think a lot of those women likely pursue the teaching profession. So, it's an outlier.

However, it really doesn't matter how many, moreso as just being qualified. I do think that in most cases it would be males wanting to carry. But, it's all personal decision. Having one qualified person carrying is a potential advantage.

I just think it would be great to give those qualified people the option.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jan 22 2019 06:10pm
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My main critique is when people assume that having a teacher carry a gun is that it will be similar to this.

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Quote (GLYC123 @ Jan 22 2019 05:18pm)
My main critique is when people assume that having a teacher carry a gun is that it will be similar to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrXfh4hENKs


It's understandable that people have such strong opinions on a weapon that is not used the same around the country

Rural kids are going to have different experiences than inner city kids who have different experiences than middle class kids in the burbs

If you haven't spent time around weapons like guns it can make people feel scared and like it's completely unnecessary

If you wake up every day terrified of stray bullets and armed violence they of course might have negative feelings

If all you know about guns are that's how your family member or friend killed themselves or others it is understandable the negative feelings

I'm very strong on the second amendment now and very against the drug war now but when I was a kid I hated drugs and guns. I blamed them for the actions of the people around me that abused them in terrible ways

but then you learn that these things aren't to blame any more than they are worthy of worship, they are just things and the freedom of a person and the power of defense are way more important than fearing or hating things

but to those people that feel or fear differently whether it's an armed teacher or an armed neighbor I get it
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