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Sep 6 2024 07:31pm
Quote (IceMage @ 7 Sep 2024 03:18)
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1832118982532276320

"Why hasn't Kamala met Trump yet?"

Tim Miller provides the answer.

"... after Donald Trump lost an election fair and square" he says, although we know by now that the FBI had pressured Big Tech into censoring a legitimate news story which would have hurt Trump's opponent.
We have ironclad proof of election interference by the deep state against Trump, yet your side still sticks with the "fair election" talking point.

And that's not even talking about the way Democratic state legislatures and courts contorted the law to ram through modifications to election modalities (mail voting etc.) which greatly benefitted Democrats. Likewise, 2020 was the year when academia, corporate America and the mainstream media once and for all dropped any pretense of impartiality, when they fully embraced wokism and the progressive worldview and began overtly taking sides in the political and ideological debates.

No, there was no large-scale voter fraud, but the 2020 election did not take place on a level playing field. Plenty of actors were tipping the scales against Trump in a multitude of ways and to an unprecedented degree.

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"... after Donald Trump lost an election fair and square" he says, although we know by now that the FBI had pressured Big Tech into censoring a legitimate news story which would have hurt Trump's opponent.
We have ironclad proof of election interference by the deep state against Trump, yet your side still sticks with the "fair election" talking point.

And that's not even talking about the way Democratic state legislatures and courts contorted the law to ram through modifications to election modalities (mail voting etc.) which greatly benefitted Democrats. Likewise, 2020 was the year when academia, corporate America and the mainstream media once and for all dropped any pretense of impartiality, when they fully embraced wokism and the progressive worldview and began overtly taking sides in the political and ideological debates.

No, there was no large-scale voter fraud, but the 2020 election did not take place on a level playing field. Plenty of actors were tipping the scales against Trump in a multitude of ways and to an unprecedented degree.


None of this makes any sense. What are you talking about?
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Sep 6 2024 08:01pm
Quote (IceMage @ 7 Sep 2024 03:43)
None of this makes any sense. What are you talking about?


In the video you linked, the guy opens his statement by declaring that Trump threw a temper tantrum (he did) after he lost a "fair election". Which he did not, since the 2020 contest wasn't fair to begin with. Trump's post-election antics were unjustified, but his grievances about the shit that went down that year absolutely are. Which, for the record, doesn't excuse his cynical lies about explicit voter fraud, or his role in the storming of the Capitol. Still: starting a conversation with the premise that each and every complaint of Trump was baseless is disingenuous.
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Sep 6 2024 08:04pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 6 2024 07:01pm)
In the video you linked, the guy opens his statement by declaring that Trump threw a temper tantrum (he did) after he lost a "fair election". Which he did not, since the 2020 contest wasn't fair to begin with. Trump's post-election antics were unjustified, but his grievances about the shit that went down that year absolutely are. Which, for the record, doesn't excuse his cynical lies about explicit voter fraud, or his role in the storming of the Capitol. Still: starting a conversation with the premise that each and every complaint of Trump was baseless is disingenuous.


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None of this makes any sense. What are you talking about?


...?
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Sep 6 2024 08:07pm
Quote (IceMage @ 7 Sep 2024 04:04)
...?


Are you dense or living under a rock?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62688532


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Sep 6 2024 08:12pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 6 2024 07:07pm)
Are you dense or living under a rock?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62688532


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Zuckerberg told Rogan: "The background here is that the FBI came to us - some folks on our team - and was like 'hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. We thought there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election, we have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump that's similar to that'."
He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it "fit that pattern".


Unless I'm missing something, this is what you think of as the deep state pressuring social media?

And that's why Trump's coup attempt is all good?
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Sep 6 2024 08:52pm
Quote (IceMage @ 7 Sep 2024 04:12)
Unless I'm missing something, this is what you think of as the deep state pressuring social media?

And that's why Trump's coup attempt is all good?


Facebook was shamed for four years for having allowed Russian propaganda on their platform and took a significant hit to its reputation over it as the story about the alleged Trump-Russia collusion was dragged out in public throughout his presidency. Governments are regularly and increasingly threatening them with legal screws because they don't do enough to "combat misinformation".

So what do you think Facebook was gonna do when the FBI comes to them and essentially says "the thing which was a disaster for your company the last time and really got you in hot water with lawmakers... it's about to happen again, you folks should better be on high alert"? They didn't need to make explicit threats to convey the message to Facebook that this was not the time to take a stand for 1st amendment rights.

I explicitly said that this doesn't justify Trump's post-election actions, just his general grievances.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 6 2024 08:54pm
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To expand on my previous post: keep in mind that according to Congressional testimony, the FBI agents who warned Facebook and other social media companies of an imminent, major Russian disinformation operation were already aware that the Hunter laptop story was in fact real. Against better knowledge, they primed social media to treat this story as fake news and shadow ban or derank it.

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/testimony-reveals-fbi-employees-who-warned-social-media-companies-about-hack



For years, you blasted Trump and right-wing media for their lies, insisting that the truth matters and abandoning it would have a corrosive effect on public life and institutions. Just like you stressed that the integrity of American institutions is of utmost importance and endangered due to Trump. How do you square this with institutions like the FBI actively disregarding the truth in what can only be explained as the pursuit of a partisan goal?

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Looking forwards to the upcoming debate :)
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