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Nov 5 2020 04:45pm
Quote (thundercock @ Nov 5 2020 04:44pm)
But Kamala posted a video about equity vs. equality. This is totally justified.


Kamala posts video about equity vs equality

Cam: SHE'S A COMMUNIST WHO WANTS EQUALITY OF OUTCOME AND WILL DESTROY THE ECONOMY!

Trump and his team attempt to undermine Democracy by throwing out valid votes and encouraging state governments to ignore the results of their election

Cam: This is normal and valid and if there's anything suspicious it's obviously the Democrats doing it.
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Nov 5 2020 04:49pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 5 2020 02:37pm)
were you at the protests? have you asked the people? has this happened before? claiming this has nothing to do with trump is so obviously ridiculous that i don't believe you managed to even just convince yourself, let alone anyone else...


Are you completely stupid? Arizona election officials announced on Wednesday that they were going to stop counting until Friday over the controversy with WI/MI, and a protest formed within 20 minutes. Again, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.

Get over your ideals and understand that Trump is not directing anything in Arizona. He was enough behind at the time the protest formed that Fox News and the AP had already called the race. If Trump had had anything to do with literally anything, he'd have demanded the vote be stopped while they investigate for fraud.

Get over your conspiracy shit you twit.
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Nov 5 2020 04:50pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 5 2020 02:38pm)
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1324476337839656962

The inevitable meltdown would be funnier to watch if a significant portion of the country didn't believe everything these people say.


Man, right wing media needs to cool the fuck down. This is really dangerous.

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 5 2020 02:03pm)
Trump will retain office. I won't hold tcock to task on our bet over bullshit elector shenanigans tho


I feel like it should be based on when the results are certified at the county level. The probability that things will change between county and state certification is incredibly small I think.
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 5 2020 02:38pm)
If Dem counties or states accepted ballots which were illegal to be counted (e.g. arrived after the deadline) or anything like that, it is up to the courts and the courts alone to settle this issue. Urging the Republican state legislature to overturn the result of the election and send a GOP delegation to the EC, based on self-entitlement ("the Dems were obviously cheating, therefore, we are justified in overturning the official election result") is dangerous, undemocratic and violates all kinds of norms, including the separation of powers and the rule of law.

It's insanity to even think about such an approach instead of relying on the courts to settle such disputes. God knows I've forgiven Trump almost everything, but this shit right there goes more than just one bridge too far.


There have been many things that are a bridge too far IMO. The country needs to do some serious soul searching.
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Nov 5 2020 04:52pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 5 2020 05:34pm)
Go use google and let us know. We'll have to distinguish low-profile people from Mark Levin, RNC Spokeswoman, and the President's son though. And I don't know how it would justify the underlying actions.


Mark Levin is a media personality, no different than the Op-Ed's that we have running on mainstream sites. Trump pursuing this as an actual strategy would be a huge escalation, though.

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Nov 5 2020 04:57pm
sounds like Biden will get GA by a super hyper thin margin.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/georgia-president-results?icid=election_usmap

PA seems really hot with Philadelphia, 80% biden 86% done.

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Nov 5 2020 05:01pm
Quote (Ghot @ Nov 5 2020 12:16pm)
You're not really gonna blame the DMV or covid are you?

Everyone was supposed to have valid ID long before coronavirus. And not for voting. Every state I've been in requires some form of ID.



/e And I've been in 49 of the 50 states.


Oh boy. I know for an absolute fact you're wrong here. I went ahead and looked through the Missouri state statutes and could find no such requirement. Did the same for Nebraska, Iowa and Arkansas. No such requirement.

In fact the ONLY thing I can find relates to Real ID and if you live in a Republican state you don't have to worry about that anyway because they're fighting tooth and nail to stop it.

Just to be clear here, Ghot is absolutely wrong. Just plain old fucking wrong.
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Nov 5 2020 05:02pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 5 2020 04:52pm)
Mark Levin is a media personality, no different than the Op-Ed's that we have running on mainstream sites. Trump pursuing this as an actual strategy would be a huge escalation, though.


That isn't out of the realm of possibility. Not a guarantee, obviously, but possible, nonetheless. Check this podcast out (long, but informative). We're already at scenario 2, here (hat tip to Snipa for pointing me at this):



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Nov 5 2020 05:06pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ 5 Nov 2020 20:35)
Can you show me in the Bogie quote I responded to where this distinction was made by him?


Here: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84152891&f=119&p=564504050
Quote (bogie160 @ 5 Nov 2020 20:01)
The cultural left really is that repulsive.






Which also brings me to the question which was touched on by various users: "what is the way forward for the GOP/the political right?"

My opinion: Trumpism already pointed in the rough direction: mellow on the Christian conservative stuff, move to the right on cultural issues, move responsibly to the left on economic issues.
snipa put it quite succinctly:
Quote (thesnipa @ 5 Nov 2020 21:30)
but we're calling the party wanting to throw piles of cash at mentally ill people, homeless people, bankrupt people, and the impoverished generally by redistributing it from people with a yacht that fits inside their yacht following a fundamentally indecent ideology.

not much face validity there.



Classical leftism ("take from the rich, give to the poor") is a decent ideology. Unfortunately, it is increasingly taking a backseat to the toxic modern version of leftism, which was in fact coopted by corporate and 0.1-percenter interests. Modern leftism ostensibly says "western culture is sexist, racist and xenophobic to the core, there is nothing great about it, our societies have no moral right to self-affirmation". Ostensibly, modern leftism seeks to create a more equitable and pluralistic society. However, the true goal of this kind of policies is to deconstruct national identities, undermine national sovereignty and promote globalism. It seeks to create atomized societies in which deep divisions over race, gender, religion and habitus distract the plebs from the class conflict; societies in which there exists no broader solidarity or sense of community; and in which people are nothing but apathetic, docile cogs in the machine, such that global corporations can play off people and countries against each other and are able to squeeze them for every last bit of profit margin on behalf of their billionaire owners.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 5 2020 05:07pm
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Nov 5 2020 05:06pm
2020 Election, Narrated:

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Nov 5 2020 05:11pm
Quote (thundercock @ Nov 5 2020 05:50pm)
Man, right wing media needs to cool the fuck down. This is really dangerous.


Trump speaking at 6:30. I'm sure he'll lower the temperature.

Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 5 2020 05:52pm)
Mark Levin is a media personality, no different than the Op-Ed's that we have running on mainstream sites. Trump pursuing this as an actual strategy would be a huge escalation, though.


That's a dodge.
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