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Dec 15 2018 09:40am
Quote (EndlessSky @ 15 Dec 2018 15:36)
I disagree. Obamacare waa wildly unpopular both then and now.


wrong.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-republicans-losing-the-health-care-debate/

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Americans have also come to feel more positively toward the the ACA in the last year. Forty-nine percent of U.S adults view the ACA favorably in the most recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll, compared to 42 percent who view it unfavorably. The popularity of the ACA even reached an all-time high in February of this year, with 54 percent of Americans approving of it according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.


I wouldnt call that "wildly unpopular". Obamacare is certainly not the slam dunk policy that Democrats had hoped it would be, but it's not suuuper unpopular either.
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Dec 15 2018 09:44am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 15 2018 08:40am)
wrong.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-republicans-losing-the-health-care-debate/



I wouldnt call that "wildly unpopular". Obamacare is certainly not the slam dunk policy that Democrats had hoped it would be, but it's not suuuper unpopular either.


and like Thor said you remove the Obama association and reasonable people know which way those numbers move just from that alone
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Dec 15 2018 09:54am
Quote (Beowulf @ Dec 15 2018 10:23am)
What's been done about it with full power that can't be undone with the stroke of a Democrat President's pen?

Republicans bitch moan and obstruct but they know how to message even when they are completely full of shit so even when they do absolutely nothing about it even when in power their minions can just run around in delusion as if anything changed.

Race card? how many of Trumps loyalists that shit talk anything Obama did also think he is a Kenyan terrorist sympathizer? 98%?


Yep everyone who disagrees with Obama is some absurd racist guy who can't possibly have a legitimate reason for their positions.
Lets not bother to consider them and we certainly don't have to look into whether obamacare was a failure or not.
We're the good guys! They are the racists and bigots! and i'm pretty sure we saved $2500 a year on our premiums, but who is counting?

The fact that it was ruled unconstitutional is just a minor set back. We don't care about the first, 2nd 4th or 5th amendments, so why should we care about this?
As long as the next Democrat also has a pen and a phone he can try to dictate Obama's great policies back into law, but next time we'll be sure to stack the courts first.

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Yep everyone who disagrees with Obama is some absurd racist guy who can't possibly have a legitimate reason for their positions.
Lets not bother to consider them and we certainly don't have to look into whether obamacare was a failure or not.
We're the good guys! They are the racists and bigots! and i'm pretty sure we saved $2500 a year on our premiums.

The fact that it was ruled unconstitutional is just a minor set back. We don't care about the first, 2nd 4th or 5th amendments, so why should we care about this?
As long as the next Democrat also has a pen and a phone he can try to dictate Obama's great policies back into law, but next time we'll stack the courts first.


actually I want Republicans to lead the way on improving what they attack when they have full power

Obama's work can be improved and it should be but that's not happening

because when it comes to doing something other than focused messaging Republicans (specifically Trump these days) are nothing but whiny obstructionists that use a uninformed and heavily racist base to win but never lead

I welcome the Republicans to better anything Democrats have done. They don't and they won't because all they have is the fear and hatred that they market very well
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Dec 15 2018 10:10am
Never a president so bad at staffing has their ever been:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/15/politics/ryan-zinke/index.html

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President Donald Trump announced Saturday morning that Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke will depart from his administration at the end of the year.

"Secretary of the Interior @RyanZinke will be leaving the Administration at the end of the year after having served for a period of almost two years. Ryan has accomplished much during his tenure and I want to thank him for his service to our Nation," Trump wrote in a tweet.
The President continued in a second tweet: " ... The Trump Administration will be announcing the new Secretary of the Interior next week."
The departure comes amid multiple ethics investigations into Zinke as well as a staff shake-up among Trump administration officials, including the President's chief of staff. Trump announced Friday that his budget director, Mick Mulvaney, will become his acting chief of staff, replacing John Kelly, at the end of the year.


Trump can't keep his employees, even when they're actually being paid.
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Dec 15 2018 10:22am
Quote (Beowulf @ 15 Dec 2018 16:44)
and like Thor said you remove the Obama association and reasonable people know which way those numbers move just from that alone


afaik, in the poll i cited, people were asked about ther opinion on "the Affordable Care Act"; so that the term "Obamacare" didnt appear.
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The epitome of class :lol:

Trump criminal.

People wonder why everyone was passing on chief of staff like it was a hot potato lol.

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Quote (Skinned @ Dec 15 2018 06:49pm)
The epitome of class :lol:


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does anyone actually believe trump knows the word prognosticate let alone how to spell it?
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