Fake news.

Ironic.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/think-supporters-dumb-ann-coulter-lashes-trump-lying-built-wall/

Answer: Yes, Ann, Trump knows most of his supporters are morons who will believe whatever he says.

it's funny i saw a yahoo article titles "conservative faith in Trump dwindling" and stories like these back it up. Tucker talks shit, Rex is on a tear now, Ann calling him out, and then the Pence silence in that meeting. Trump needs 2020, he needs desperately to have someone in front of him he can fight it out with. he's the Robert Baratheon of POTUSes, great in battle shit on the throne.

You're right.

Plus I think there's a group of douchebags in the counter-culture Trump movement who have to go past it, and become the edgy ones in that movement who claim Trump isn't conservative/populist enough. They can't be perceived as following any tribe. That's where Tucker is coming from.

HAHAH yeah the age old problem of populist movements getting power then becoming the enemy. Doesn't help that Trump "drained the swamp", implanted unqualified people that he hyped up, then cut them loose and insults them as if he didn't do the picking and hyping.

he's not the right guy to combat media lying because he's a habitual liar. and he's not the right guy to reform DC because he just puts bandaids on flesh wounds. his entire legacy will be as a "conversation starter" which is just a consolation prize and nice way to say didn't get jack shit done. 2 conservative justices and that's gonna be about it from the looks of it. even if he wins in 2020 he'll likely lose more legislature, or at least not win back the house.

-2 scotus picks, might become 3.
- dozens and dozens of conservative federal judges appointed.
- biggest tax cuts in decades, single-handedly made america competitive again on the world stage when it comes to corporate taxation.
- pushed back significantly against political correctness, genderism, radical feminism, against all the madness of a contemporary liberalism gone beserk.
- put an end to the myth that huge levels of illegal immigration are an inevitable fate and that conservatives should just accept it and start sucking up to minorities like W. Bush did.
- prevented an equally corrupt swamp creature in clinton from taking over.
- prevented a liberal majority on the supreme court for decades.
- showed the GOP establishment where the energy from the conservative base really is (definitely not on the side of the globalist and/or Koch brothers agenda).
- exposed the liberal bias of wide parts of the mainstream media, exposed the conservative bias of fox news et al even more.
- withdrew from the paris climate accord, an agreement with noble goals that unfortunately gives horribly misguided answers to the challenges posed by climate change.
- prevented the U.S. from signing the UN compact on migration; thanks to Trump, the U.S. really dodged a bullet on that one.
- renegotiated Nafta, achieved at least some improvements for americans.
- put TPP and TTIP on the shelf.
- finally stood up to China, called them out on their abusive trade practices. his countermeasures are controversial and risky, but have worked out fine so far.
- moved the embassy to Jerusalem, called the UN out for its blatant pro-palestinian bias.


yes, Trump's legislative legacy most likely will be bleak, but his judicial appointments, the shit ton of horrible stuff that he prevented from happening and the paradigm shift that he introduced on issues like trade, immigration and China, will persist.

from the point of view of a conservative, he has put the country on the right track again in a lot of ways. unless he gets impeached and leaves office in total disgrace, his personal conduct, his corruption and his violation of institutional norms will all lose significance over time as historians decades from now look back on his presidency. as a conservative, one has to assume that the substance, the setting the course part of his presidency will age well. he's the "reverse obama".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 12 2018 11:31am

36 months in jail for President Donald Trump's personal lawyer.

he's signed into law next to zero things. he's working off of EO's, just like Obama, and can have all his gains erased in the first 100 days of an incoming democratic POTUS, just like he did to Obama. not even his tax cut is permanent.

there's nothing in your post glaringly wrong, and yet there's nothing in there that's the law of the land. and therefore nothing safe. as i said, "conversation starter" potus who can be erased in a few penstrokes thusfar.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 12 2018 11:39am

I'm not a huge fan for giving Trump a cookie for the bolded unless it is strictly in the context of justifying not voting for Clinton/the Democrat. The average replacement Republican President does the same exact thing, and I don't see Liberals giving Obama credit for appointing SCOTUS justices or federal judges. Pointing to those as achievements reeks of desperation to me.

His biggest achievement domestically is tax reform...but even then, that piece of legislation was unpopular with the majority of Americans, which is crazy for a tax cut. He even had to fake promise middle class tax cuts right before the midterms in a desperate attempt to cull some of the unpopularity. The other notable domestic events were the GOP's whiff on repealing the ACA, which probably can't be all pinned on Trump (but was a big disaster for the party regardless) and also no border wall which was actually his #1 campaign promise. There's also been no laws addressing immigration reform, which more broadly was Trump's biggest issue.

A lot of the things you are mentioning are rather nebulous...pushing back on PC culture, ending myths on immigration, reigniting Conservative energy, exposing liberal bias, etc. Like Snipa mentioned, these achievements are temporary if anything, and also reek of desperation to me to try and justify him having a good Presidency thus far.

In my opinion, the biggest area Trump could "win" on is foreign policy. If the North Korea stuff plays out well, if he's successful with trade talks with China, if he's successful at bringing Americans better trade agreements, does not enter us into a disastrous foreign war etc, those could all be huge wins. But the jury is still out.