d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate >
Poll > Trump 2016 > Trump Vs Clinton
Prev1262426252626262726283169Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
  Guests cannot view or vote in polls. Please register or login.
Member
Posts: 1,775
Joined: Feb 2 2017
Gold: 945.00
Dec 10 2018 10:01am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 10 2018 04:30pm)
Democrat subsidies like Social Security and Medicare account for 60% of our country's debt. Farm subsidies account for less than 4%. You're really stretching this one out of proportion.


Quote (FGdumpster @ Dec 10 2018 04:31pm)
I don't want to give to anyone as giving means taking from someone else.


Now those are republicans how I remember them. Ppl need to take care of themselves, let them rot and die before offering help.
Member
Posts: 6,544
Joined: Jan 17 2010
Gold: 3.33
Dec 10 2018 10:19am
Quote (Knoppie @ Dec 10 2018 10:01am)
Now those are republicans how I remember them. Ppl need to take care of themselves, let them rot and die before offering help.


Actually conservatives give more to charity than liberals both in absolute and per capita terms. It's not about let them rot and die; it's about not forcibly taking someone's property to give to another person. Pretty simple stuff really.

This post was edited by FGdumpster on Dec 10 2018 10:21am
Member
Posts: 66,666
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
Dec 10 2018 10:20am
Republican Jesus at it, again
Member
Posts: 1,775
Joined: Feb 2 2017
Gold: 945.00
Dec 10 2018 10:23am
Quote (FGdumpster @ Dec 10 2018 05:19pm)
Actually conservatives give more to charity than liberals both in absolute and per capita terms. It's not about let them rot and die, it's about not forcibly taking someone's property to give to another person. Pretty simple stuff really.


You're changing to "conservatives" as they are better represented in church donations. I've seen this quite a few times

Quote (FGdumpster @ Dec 10 2018 04:31pm)
I don't want to give to anyone as giving means taking from someone else.


good thing you are against it though.
Member
Posts: 6,544
Joined: Jan 17 2010
Gold: 3.33
Dec 10 2018 10:25am
Quote (Knoppie @ Dec 10 2018 10:23am)
You're changing to "conservatives" as they are better represented in church donations. I've seen this quite a few times



good thing you are against it though.



I meant not to give from the government obviously. Individual giving is encouraged.

Churches give lots of money to people charitably. As such, some percentage of what is given to a church goes to people in need. Same as some percentage of what is given to a nonprofit will do the same (after the operators are paid, offices, etc).
Member
Posts: 49,289
Joined: Jun 18 2006
Gold: 11.77
Dec 10 2018 10:28am
Quote (FGdumpster @ Dec 10 2018 08:58am)
I guess you don't believe all Americans deserve equal representation?

Democrats seem to have a hard-on for taxing rural farmers and giving the money to inner-city minorities that never had to shovel cow shit, throw hay barrels, or service a million dollars in debt as you try to make your farm work.


Ignoring large portions of the population that reside on the coasts doesn't seem to be equal representation.
Member
Posts: 6,544
Joined: Jan 17 2010
Gold: 3.33
Dec 10 2018 10:37am
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 10 2018 10:28am)
Ignoring large portions of the population that reside on the coasts doesn't seem to be equal representation.



It's interesting most of the billionaires and most of the naturally envious leftists are aggregated in the same areas.

The whole idea of income inequality is predicated on envy. Essentially, 'that person isn't 1,000,000x better than me so why does he make that much more money than I do?'

Of course, 'he should be stripped down so that he's no richer than I am.' People that truly care about poor people don't start by looking at the wealthy.

These figures we idolize, Jesus, Gandhi, MLK, Buddha, etc all started from a place of empathy not envy. They never sought to take from the wealthy, but rather to bolster the poor.

This post was edited by FGdumpster on Dec 10 2018 10:38am
Member
Posts: 93,001
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,299.94
Dec 10 2018 10:41am
Quote (FGdumpster @ Dec 10 2018 10:37am)
It's interesting most of the billionaires and most of the naturally envious leftists are aggregated in the same areas.

The whole idea of income inequality is predicated on envy. Essentially, 'that person isn't 1,000,000x better than me so why does he make that much more money than I do?'

Of course, 'he should be stripped down so that he's no richer than I am.' People that truly care about poor people don't start by looking at the wealthy.

These figures we idolize, Jesus, Gandhi, MLK, Buddha, etc all started from a place of empathy not envy. They never sought to take from the wealthy, but rather to bolster the poor.


the amount of money in existence is basically static. we of course increase it as more people come into existence, and not being on the gold standard means we can inflate the amount artificially. but if we're assuming responsible fed policy, and at the same time trying to bolster the poor, the money has to come from somewhere.

tbh your whole post reads like you think we should just print money for the poor, something i know you dont actually want. you basically said "stop focusing on Heads, these people focused on Tails." when in reality its the same coin.
Member
Posts: 1,775
Joined: Feb 2 2017
Gold: 945.00
Dec 10 2018 10:43am
Quote (FGdumpster @ Dec 10 2018 05:25pm)
I meant not to give from the government obviously. Individual giving is encouraged.

Churches give lots of money to people charitably. As such, some percentage of what is given to a church goes to people in need. Same as some percentage of what is given to a nonprofit will do the same (after the operators are paid, offices, etc).


The church fulfilled a role in that regard in my history as well, nowadays it's being replaced by governments being the non-profit giving help to those in need. Churches have lost their power to help over here.
Member
Posts: 6,544
Joined: Jan 17 2010
Gold: 3.33
Dec 10 2018 10:48am
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 10 2018 10:41am)
the amount of money in existence is basically static. we of course increase it as more people come into existence, and not being on the gold standard means we can inflate the amount artificially. but if we're assuming responsible fed policy, and at the same time trying to bolster the poor, the money has to come from somewhere.

tbh your whole post reads like you think we should just print money for the poor, something i know you dont actually want. you basically said "stop focusing on Heads, these people focused on Tails." when in reality its the same coin.



Money is meaningless, it's the production it represents that equals value. Productivity has been steadily increasing year after year as innovation makes solutions cheaper and better.

This is why a computer that used to cost $2,000 can now be had for $400 or less. Furthermore, I do not worship money as a god. It's a paper that's value only exists because people's perception.

If a poor community has absolutely no currency in circulation, i.e. no dollars, they should use alternative currency or even better, trade labor to build value.
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1262426252626262726283169Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll