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Jun 1 2026 06:13pm
You have some kind of theoretical degree that has very little practical application you wasted your time and money on studying and its showing.
How is emperical evidence not valid? If I punch you in the face will that convince you of its validity? Or will you say my punch isn't preconditioned for your face?

Everyone understands it immediately unless you have some kind of brain tumor that prohibits self preservation.

Same way the bible claims jesus was here in the flesh and performed magical acts such as resurrecting himself and other people from the dead, the global flood should have left very specific and identifiable empirical markers, not to mention exhaustive independent literature that corroborates such a historic event. We have none or at least very few questionable/partial second hand accounts. Thats like saying Bigfoot exists and all you have is I heard it from my uncles friend who says he knows a guy who knows a guy's cousin that read it in a book he found.

Why can't you accept that is not valid evidence for a magical story and dismiss the bible on lack of proof?

sensory experience =/= epistemological justification.

I am saying how do we know your worldview can justify empiricism itself. I am asking how the materialistic paradigm can justify the reliability of your senses, the uniformity of physical laws, and the existence of immaterial, invariant and universal laws of logic.

because your worldview has no answer to induction or even the possibility of intelligibility, i can appeal to my worldview to explain all of these things, but you cannot. appealing to the majority opinion is not an argument otherwise we can say the majority of people in the world are religious therefore it's true.

do you understand the problem? how do we know induction is true within your worldview, we cannot possibly hold some type of empirical standard without justifying empiricism itself otherwise it's completely ad hoc, it's like saying christiantiy is true because the bible says so
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Jun 1 2026 06:41pm
sensory experience =/= epistemological justification.

I am saying how do we know your worldview can justify empiricism itself. I am asking how the materialistic paradigm can justify the reliability of your senses, the uniformity of physical laws, and the existence of immaterial, invariant and universal laws of logic.

because your worldview has no answer to induction or even the possibility of intelligibility, i can appeal to my worldview to explain all of these things, but you cannot. appealing to the majority opinion is not an argument otherwise we can say the majority of people in the world are religious therefore it's true.

do you understand the problem? how do we know induction is true within your worldview, we cannot possibly hold some type of empirical standard without justifying empiricism itself otherwise it's completely ad hoc, it's like saying christiantiy is true because the bible says so


Who cares all you are doing is placing mental barriers/restriction unto yourself. Its uncertainty you fear that prompts your brain to compartmentalize some kind of a justification process. Senses provide me with a reference points I am able to differentiate between real fears vs imaginary ones. A tiger in the woods will hurt me because empirical evidence demonstrates it. A god in a book hasn't manifested himself in any way other than people's imaginations therefore I have no need to fear or love such an entity.

Anyone can justify with "because god or therefore magic". If it helps you sleep better at night why not use the life and your own existence as the justification?
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Who cares all you are doing is placing mental barriers/restriction unto yourself. Its uncertainty you fear that prompts your brain to compartmentalize some kind of a justification process. Senses provide me with a reference points I am able to differentiate between real fears vs imaginary ones. A tiger in the woods will hurt me because empirical evidence demonstrates it. A god in a book hasn't manifested himself in any way other than people's imaginations therefore I have no need to fear or love such an entity.

Anyone can justify with "because god or therefore magic". If it helps you sleep better at night why not use the life and your own existence as the justification?


I ask for justification and your answer is "who cares"?

you are literally surrendering here by saying "who cares" to "how we know things" and projecting some emotion appeal

justification is not compartmentalizing, it's literally the opposite. justification applies universally, it does not compartmentalize. you are precisely doing this by trying to have a debate while ignoring the possibility of intelligibility itself. when asked, you say "who cares" (the compartmentalizing in action) to separate true justified belief it from how you feel things on a day to day basis.

you want to use borrowed logic, reason, meaning, and empiricism to critique christianity but when I simply ask to justify the things you appeal to you suddenly collapse into "who cares" which is exactly the compartmentalizing you are speaking of, it works within part of your brain but when you apply it to another we surely cannot do that.
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Jun 1 2026 10:10pm
I ask for justification and your answer is "who cares"?

you are literally surrendering here by saying "who cares" to "how we know things" and projecting some emotion appeal

justification is not compartmentalizing, it's literally the opposite. justification applies universally, it does not compartmentalize. you are precisely doing this by trying to have a debate while ignoring the possibility of intelligibility itself. when asked, you say "who cares" (the compartmentalizing in action) to separate true justified belief it from how you feel things on a day to day basis.

you want to use borrowed logic, reason, meaning, and empiricism to critique christianity but when I simply ask to justify the things you appeal to you suddenly collapse into "who cares" which is exactly the compartmentalizing you are speaking of, it works within part of your brain but when you apply it to another we surely cannot do that.


Thats correct who cares, you are talking pure theoretical philosophy here while I am asking for empirical proof. Justifying logic itself doesn't require a hall pass from christianity it doesnt hold patent on reason so i can't borrow from it. I don't need to justify logic and I don't think its possible without it being self referential anyway. This is pure mental masterbation and I think you care because you don't want to face the lack of empirical evidence which will lead to the conclusion Christianity is fake.

Discussing metalogic instead of hard proof is your admission of surrender. Bible clearly makes hundreds of concrete claims yet you are trying to hide behind epistemological fog. Its a defletion that tries to go on a completely different route exploring logic itself and other semantic nonsense.

Seeing how you will not address this but will dodge again why don't you present your case for why you think god is real and not fake. Give valid reason/ sound logic if you have no empirical evidence. Because you keep saying how you can justify but not demonstrating anything. If we cant get to physical proof at least we can see how you mentally arrived to "because god"
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Jun 1 2026 10:30pm
scientific method
observable, testable, repeatable


observable- scripture (bible) undeniably exists and is in the material world

testable- reading the scripture and become convinced. repent and become christian

repeatable- happens every generation

Christianity passes the scientific method
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Jun 2 2026 12:07am
scientific method
observable, testable, repeatable


observable- scripture (bible) undeniably exists and is in the material world

testable- reading the scripture and become convinced. repent and become christian

repeatable- happens every generation

Christianity passes the scientific method


It's not observable, christian god is invisible remember did you not read the Bible?

It is not testable you cannot test for God you cannot test faith based beliefs period. You still haven't given any clear proof for a blade of grass other than crying about Dawkins and how he hurt your feelings.

It is not repeatable. If you want to resusurrect someone from the dead or walk on water be my guest just make sure to have witnesses and get it on video.

But I sense an incoming dodge and some angry words about Dawkins etc..
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Jun 2 2026 01:08am
It's not observable, christian god is invisible remember did you not read the Bible?

It is not testable you cannot test for God you cannot test faith based beliefs period. You still haven't given any clear proof for a blade of grass other than crying about Dawkins and how he hurt your feelings.

It is not repeatable. If you want to resusurrect someone from the dead or walk on water be my guest just make sure to have witnesses and get it on video.

But I sense an incoming dodge and some angry words about Dawkins etc..


your memes prove you dont read scripture so your 'opinion pulled from you imagination has no value

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Jun 2 2026 01:13am
Hebrews 11:1-3 ESV

1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the people of old received their commendation. 3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.



[Verse 1]
By faith we see the hand of God
In the light of creation's grand design
In the lives of those who prove His faithfulness
Who walk by faith and not by sight

[Verse 2]
By faith our fathers roamed the earth
With the power of His promise in their hearts
Of a holy city built by God's own hand
A place where peace and justice reign

[Chorus]
We will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul's reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We'll walk by faith and not by sight

[Verse 3]
By faith the prophets saw a day
When the longed-for Messiah would appear
With the power to break the chains of sin and death
And rise triumphant from the grave

[Verse 4]
By faith the church was called to go
In the power of the Spirit to the lost
To deliver captives and to preach good news
In every corner of the earth
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[Chorus]
We will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul’s reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight

[Verse 5]
By faith this mountain shall be moved
And the power of the gospel shall prevail
For we know in Christ all things are possible
For all who call upon His name

[Chorus]
We will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul’s reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight
Ohh, we will stand as children of the promise
We will fix our eyes on Him our soul’s reward
Till the race is finished and the work is done
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight
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Jun 2 2026 02:56am
your memes prove you dont read scripture so your 'opinion pulled from you imagination has no value
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqkscMEjZ8A


How so? Inb4 another dodge + whataboutism
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