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Dec 5 2018 07:28am
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Science does this to itself by rewarding those who overturn the status quo.

Your global cooling comment is an easily debunked denier talking point. It was a media darling but never a seriously considered point among the scientific community.

The "Earth was flat" point hasnt been true for like 3000 years, literally weve known for that long. The scientific method as we know it has only existed for a few hundred years, and even before that the flat earth wasn't seriously considered by anybody in academia.

The scientific consensus isnt there arbitrarily. Its there because its the currently best available explanation and is never accepted as infallible. Usually the inconsistencies in the current theory are the hottest part of a field.

I suggest you, like, actually start researching things you think you know about science because literally every argument you just made is factually wrong.


Global cooling actually is happening though, particulate pollution in the atmosphere occludes light and changes the way clouds and rain nucleate. Ironically its offsetting some of the effects of global warming.
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Dec 5 2018 07:34am
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Global cooling actually is happening though, particulate pollution in the atmosphere occludes light and changes the way clouds and rain nucleate. Ironically its offsetting some of the effects of global warming.


Yes, that does happen, but it has never been thought by the scientific community to be enough to offset the warming effect of CO2 increases that we have been experiencing since the industrial age.

The "scientists were afraid of global cooling" was based off something like 6-12 papers published in the 1970's offering it as a possibility. The media saw those 6-12 papers and ran with it as though it was the scientific consensus at the time, and not just a passing consideration.
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Dec 5 2018 08:35am
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Science does this to itself by rewarding those who overturn the status quo.


thats how it works in theory. in practice, scientists who challenge the accepted priors of their field risk their academic reputation and their funding.
for example, someone who accepts that anthropogenic factors are contributing to global warming, but questions the scope of the manmade portion of the overall climate change, will have a much harder time raising money for research that is trying to prove his hypothesis than someone who goes with the flow and applies for grants for cookie-cutter research on AGW.



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Your global cooling comment is an easily debunked denier talking point. It was a media darling but never a seriously considered point among the scientific community.


oh really? do you have any sources for this claim?
in my source (unfortunately in german, feel free to show me english sources instead):
https://www.welt.de/wissenschaft/umwelt/article5489379/Als-uns-vor-30-Jahren-eine-neue-Eiszeit-drohte.html

you have quotes in the direction I described attributed to:
- a CIA study on climate change
- Linus Pauling
- Nigel Calder, former editor of "New Scientist"
- R.A. Bryson
- George K. Kukla
- Murray Mitchell, chief climate scientist of the north-american "Environmental Sciences Services Administration"
- James McQuigg


So the concern about the cooling period between 1940 and 1980 was shared by significantly more researchers than just one attention-seeking "media darling".




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and even before that the flat earth wasn't seriously considered by anybody in academia.


Good point, I indeed fell for the so-called "flat earth myth" (= the conception that the earth was widely believed to be flat by researchers and scholars during the middle ages). Shame on me.


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The scientific consensus isnt there arbitrarily. Its there because its the currently best available explanation and is never accepted as infallible. Usually the inconsistencies in the current theory are the hottest part of a field.


I know, and in most cases, it is true. For example when it comes to the string theory. But in some cases, typically ones where ideology, politics and economic interests are involved, this is not necessarily the case and inconsistencies are played down or are swept under the rug.

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you have quotes in the direction I described attributed to:
- a CIA study on climate change
- Linus Pauling
- Nigel Calder, former editor of "New Scientist"
- R.A. Bryson
- George K. Kukla
- Murray Mitchell, chief climate scientist of the north-american "Environmental Sciences Services Administration"
- James McQuigg

So the concern about the cooling period between 1940 and 1980 was shared by significantly more researchers than just one attention-seeking "media darling".


I never said it was "one attention seeking media-darling"

What I meant was a few papers were published, and the media ran with it although it was never a strongly supported hypothesis in the scientific community.

Anyway this video (and channel in general) are great on climate change and this myth specifically. It's run by a science journalist who used to be a practicing scientist and he cites everything in the description on every video. He does actual scientific literature searches instead of just news article searches.



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I never said it was "one attention seeking media-darling"

What I meant was a few papers were published, and the media ran with it although it was never a strongly supported hypothesis in the scientific community.

Anyway this video (and channel in general) are great on climate change and this myth specifically

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU_AtHkB4Ms


fact: debunked the shit out of that myth.
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Dec 5 2018 01:19pm
Anyone here follow QAnon happenings at all? Apparently today Trump's administration is supposed to be rounding up all the globalist pedophiles at the HW funeral.
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Anyone here follow QAnon happenings at all? Apparently today Trump's administration is supposed to be rounding up all the globalist pedophiles at the HW funeral.


I used to follow them a little on /r/GreatAwakening, but ever since Steve Huffman zucked them off of reddit, I haven't kept up with it.

Edit: Apparently they are going a lot off of this:



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Dec 5 2018 04:14pm
meanwhile globalist trash & president of France Macaron reaches new low in approval rate - 23%

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-poll/macrons-popularity-hits-new-low-amid-french-protests-poll-idUSKBN1O30MD
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Dec 5 2018 07:10pm
Greater proportion of scientists believe in human-triggered climate change than believe smoking cigarettes is bad for you. Yet here we are. People walking down the upstairs, droning off about something that happened in the 1970s.

It’s like contending that computers won’t get miniaturized enough to fit in our hands because of lackluster heat dissipation technology. An issue in the 1970s done away with advancements. The sheer amount of advancements in paleoclimatology since the 1970s is incredible, let alone the computing power to run advanced models and validate data.

Blows my fucking mind how ass backwards ya’ll are.

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Dec 5 2018 07:25pm
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Greater proportion of scientists believe in human-triggered climate change than believe smoking cigarettes is bad for you. Yet here we are. People walking down the upstairs, droning off about something that happened in the 1970s.

It’s like contending that computers won’t get miniaturized enough to fit in our hands because of lackluster heat dissipation technology. An issue in the 1970s done away with advancements. The sheer amount of advancements in paleoclimatology since the 1970s is incredible, let alone the computing power to run advanced models and validate data.

Blows my fucking mind how ass backwards ya’ll are.


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