Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 16 2019 09:35pm)
those charts are mostly consistent with what I said.
I said it's been dropping for decades, you said "wrong". The charts show it has slowed consistently since two decades ago with a couple of slight exceptions. You said it peaked in the early 00s when it actually began decreasing in the early 00s. Point is, it's been decreasing for a while and is neither an acute nor chronic crisis, doubly given the fact that it wasn't a crisis when the problem was exponentially more tangible.
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 16 2019 09:35pm)
it's in the nature of things that crimes amongst undocumented immigrants go... wait for it... undocumented. *badummtsss*
And your evidence is?
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 16 2019 09:35pm)
A sovereign nation has to deal with its own people, while it can chose its immigrants. Relevant difference.
For current citizens, yes, but e.g. lowering the birth rate would also reduce the number of future murders (as a function of reducing population growth) but idk if you'd be fond of that goal, even though it also produces a positive outcome on total murders (as well as reducing the murder rate by increasing the proportion of immigrants in the population).
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 16 2019 09:35pm)
Do you have a source for this? And is this referring to all immigrants pooled together, or does this statement still hold if applied to only illegal immigrants and their offspring? Because a lot of the legal immigrants are highly educated professionals who were specifically allowed in based on their merit. That the children of Rajesh, the Indian PhD holder who's working for Google in Silicon Valley, will reach high educational attainment is hardly surprising. Pooling them together with the children of Jose, the illegal immigrant who's picking vegetables in Central Valley at half the minimum wage and who's barely literate even in his native language, would confound and obscure the actual trends within two very different demographics.
I believe the numbers refer to all immigrants, both legal and illegal. It includes "all immigrant groups". Source is behind a paywall:
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/21746/the-integration-of-immigrants-into-american-society but a summary is here:
https://www.aacu.org/aacu-news/newsletter/immigrants-and-higher-education#_ftnref1Quote (Association of American Colleges & Universities)
All immigrant groups, including those whose members typically arrive in the United States with low levels of education, show strong intergenerational progress on educational attainment, and second-generation Americans from most groups meet or exceed the education levels attained by the children of native-born Americans.
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 16 2019 09:35pm)
The wealth of a nation largely depends on its GDP per capita, not on its nominal/raw GDP. Immigration is only beneficial in fiscal terms if it increases a country's productivity, or at least leaves it unaffected. Therefore, the simple rule of thumb is: well-educated immigrants = good, low-education immigrants = bad. In the United States, we have a lot of both. The positive contributions of legal immigrants should be acknowledged, but this does not reduce the negative impact of poverty immigrants from the south in the slightest.
It depends on what we mean by wealth. Total GDP is more representative of a nation's global power. GDP per capita is representative of a nation's wealth per citizen but not at all representative of average quality of life unless it exists in tandem with low inequality (specifically of high standards of living for the lowest earners). By most accounts, working class migrants from Mexico have an overall positive impact on the economy. Whether that is represented in quality of living I don't know, but that is an issue for domestic government policy.