Ghots back on Instagram

Still wrong. Ghot has NEVER been on Instgram, or Facebook... etc., etc.

Nobody cares

The wall is necessary but not sufficient for securing the border efficiently. (Well, at least along many parts of the border. We probably dont need a physical barrier along each and every single mile of the border...)

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 16 2019 11:07am

the wall in its Tumpian form is wanted by some but it's not necessary

there is no crisis and no national emergency

Let's be real this wall was never sold in any sort of reasonable way and his most enthusiastic supporters don't wet dream about "wall/fence/barrier" in effective areas and because of the extreme salesmanship here we are in a record breaking babyfit government shutdown

or as Trump wanted it called. Trump's shutdown or The Great Trump Shutdown

I agree that there is no crisis in the sense of "acute problem". But the inability to prevent drugs, guns and illegal immigrants from coming across the border is a huge long-term problem.

It's like smoking: smoking a couple of cigarettes will not immediately make you sick, but chain-smoking for decades definitely will cause your health to deteriorate. It's the same story with the open southern border and the safety and integrity of our communities. The adverse effects of the open border have slowly but surely manifested themselves over time and are now causing a lot of trouble.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 16 2019 11:20am

Are they, though? Immigration has consistently slowed in the past decades and even illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than natural-born citizens. What is the trouble that's being caused? From what I see it's mostly just an economic benefit for very little cost.

people who claim the drug threat justifies it all are morons.

if we successfully closed the southern US border heroin manufacturing cartels would move production domestically or in canada.

people just love to treat symptoms because that's what their intellect can handle. study chess, most people simply aren't smart enough to think 3+ moves deep, 99.999999% aren't smart enough to think 7+. and that's on a board with a small number of options.

wrong. it had accelerated during the 80s and early 90s, reached extreme levels during the late 90s and early 00s, then slowed down after the great recession, and is picking up pace again right now. what has indeed remained flat ever since the great recession is immigration of mexicans, but it has been replaced by immigration from central america.




This figure is floated a lot, but I highly doubt it. No matter one's immigration status, the majority of crimes are committed within the neighborhood/social peer group and dont affect strangers. How do you estimate crimes committed within communities of illegal immigrants, a group which has a strong incentive to not report them to the police?




Crime: No matter the crime rate of the illegal immigrant group, every crime committed by them against a local american would not have happened if the illegal immigrant hadnt been in the country in the first place.
Drugs: Yes, even tight border enforcement would not completely prevent drugs from coming into the country, but the harder it gets for them, the less drugs will be floating around. If you consider drug usage to be harmful, low accessability of drugs is desirable, and high accessability is problematic.
Culture: Many of the immigrants, particularly those from central america, grew up in an environment and a culture of violence. Everyone is shaped by the circumstances under which they grew up. Moreover, most latin americans are more left-leaning than the average american. Therefore, in the long run, thanks to birthright citizenship, the US-born children of illegal immigrants will eventually pull the entire country in this direction. We're already seeing the beginning of this effect with figures like Ocasio-Cortez.
Welfare/taxes: due to the typically low education level of those coming across the southern border, and due to the language barrier, this type of immigrant is typically paying less in taxes than what the government is spending on them, either directly in the form of welfare, food stamps, or child benefit, or indirectly by providing for roads, schools, hospitals and so on. Illegal employment exacerbates this effect, and leads illegal immigrants to be a big fiscal net drain on our communities.
Wages: illegal immigration causes an influx of cheap labor. Due to their precarious situation, they are particularly easy to exploit, and are often times paid below minimum wage, not receiving certain benefits and so on. Overall, the influx of illegal immigrants from latin america creates pressure on the wages of low-education americans.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 16 2019 12:14pm