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Jan 23 2018 04:21pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 23 2018 01:12pm)
kinda depends where you draw the axis and ranges for the graph to show the slopes

https://i.imgur.com/9GX6who.png


Your global warming hockey stick isn't fooling me.

Also, adjust for inflation and post the chart you get. I bet you won't post it.

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Jan 23 2018 04:38pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 23 2018 03:12pm)
kinda depends where you draw the axis and ranges for the graph to show the slopes

https://i.imgur.com/9GX6who.png


Yeah but that last black upturn starts before Trump was inaugurated, in Nov 2016.

But in your cartoon it starts immediately upon Trump's inauguration.

(recall that presidential elections usually result in an economic downturn because of uncertainty, which we see go back to normal right after Nov)

Of course conservative economic policy deserves credit for some of it, but a lot of it is just reduction in uncertainty.

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Jan 23 2018 05:11pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Jan 23 2018 04:38pm)
Yeah but that last black upturn starts before Trump was inaugurated, in Nov 2016.

But in your cartoon it starts immediately upon Trump's inauguration.

(recall that presidential elections usually result in an economic downturn because of uncertainty, which we see go back to normal right after Nov)

Of course conservative economic policy deserves credit for some of it, but a lot of it is just reduction in uncertainty.


Everyone and their mother already knows that the economic boom started immediately when Trump was elected, the real beginning of the 'Trump years', as a result of investor confidence with Trump's economic policies, driven by anticipation of his tax cuts, deregulation, infrastructure stimulus, etc. People didn't want to invest in the expected Obama/Clinton economy, but when they saw the incoming Trump train they went hog wild.
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Jan 23 2018 05:26pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 23 2018 05:11pm)
Everyone and their mother already knows that the economic boom started immediately when Trump was elected, the real beginning of the 'Trump years', as a result of investor confidence with Trump's economic policies, driven by anticipation of his tax cuts, deregulation, infrastructure stimulus, etc. People didn't want to invest in the expected Obama/Clinton economy, but when they saw the incoming Trump train they went hog wild.


I'm not convinced it's "they didn't want to invest in an Obama/Clinton economy" as much as "political uncertainty always leads to lack of investment, regardless of the quality of both sides".

They didn't want to invest because which side wins determine what they should invest in, not that they didn't want to invest if one particular side won.
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Jan 23 2018 05:33pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 23 2018 07:26pm)
I'm not convinced it's "they didn't want to invest in an Obama/Clinton economy" as much as "political uncertainty always leads to lack of investment, regardless of the quality of both sides".

They didn't want to invest because which side wins determine what they should invest in, not that they didn't want to invest if one particular side won.


Talking to you is a pretty big waste of time. You just make things up to justify whatever you want at the time.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 23 2018 05:33pm)
Talking to you is a pretty big waste of time. You question my sources, think critically, and call me out on bullshit.


So are you and disembodied head furiously sexting every time you log on?
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 23 2018 05:26pm)
I'm not convinced it's "they didn't want to invest in an Obama/Clinton economy" as much as "political uncertainty always leads to lack of investment, regardless of the quality of both sides".

They didn't want to invest because which side wins determine what they should invest in, not that they didn't want to invest if one particular side won.


"political uncertainty"
They had 8 years of Obama. The economy flatlined for over the last year. It then magically exploded the minute Trump was elected.
Its a preposterous level of mental contortion to try to chalk it up to artificial dampening of the election or Obama policies or whatever else when every credible economist regardless of their bias already admits that it was obviously a result of markets being driven by Trump ahead of the fact. People didn't want to invest under Obama/Clinton because they had no good prospects for the economy surging any time soon. If anything it was the election with the most certainty in decades, where everyone just assumed Clinton was going to win and planned accordingly. The economy got the surprise news of incoming deregulation, tax cuts, stimulus, trade balance, etc and reacted accordingly. Nobody had to sit and wait until Trump finally passed it or it went into effect
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 23 2018 07:38pm)
So are you and disembodied head furiously sexting every time you log on?


YUUUUGE waste of time
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 23 2018 05:54pm)
"political uncertainty"
They had 8 years of Obama. The economy flatlined for over the last year. It then magically exploded the minute Trump was elected.
Its a preposterous level of mental contortion to try to chalk it up to artificial dampening of the election or Obama policies or whatever else when every credible economist regardless of their bias already admits that it was obviously a result of markets being driven by Trump ahead of the fact. People didn't want to invest under Obama/Clinton because they had no good prospects for the economy surging any time soon. If anything it was the election with the most certainty in decades, where everyone just assumed Clinton was going to win and planned accordingly. The economy got the surprise news of incoming deregulation, tax cuts, stimulus, trade balance, etc and reacted accordingly. Nobody had to sit and wait until Trump finally passed it or it went into effect


If you look at the graph it does what you see all the time. When there's a dip or stagnation it quickly picks back up to where the curve would have been without that dip/stagnation and continues. You even see it with the most damaging drops like the 2008 crash.

Even the most certain elections add to uncertainty.

I really don't think the promise of deregulation and tax cuts added that much to the growth, the economy was likely to keep growing post-election no matter who won. There is a small amount you can see of extra "above the line" growth post-trump that can be attributed to this though, but the surge isn't due to Republicans so much as the economy doing what it always does after a dip or stall.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 23 2018 07:58pm)
If you look at the graph it does what you see all the time. When there's a dip or stagnation it quickly picks back up to where the curve would have been without that dip/stagnation and continues. You even see it with the most damaging drops like the 2008 crash.

Even the most certain elections add to uncertainty.

I really don't think the promise of deregulation and tax cuts added that much to the growth, the economy was likely to keep growing post-election no matter who won. There is a small amount you can see of extra "above the line" growth post-trump that can be attributed to this though, but the surge isn't due to Republicans so much as the economy doing what it always does after a dip or stall.


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