That's a bad faith and overall stupid interpretation of the responses to this thread.

And you really want the future of geopolitics modeled after the US response to 9/11? That worked out so well lmao

JFC peoples brains just melt as soon as they see a sad video online

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Oct 19 2023 07:28am

share with the class then. in simple terms answer a simple question:

"how do u kill hamas without mass civilian casualties"?

Not if you have the PA playing an active role here. Israel and PA side by side against Hamas, there won’t be room for sympathizers or extreme media reactions

In Iraq there never was a plan. In Palestine you only have one plan/alternative player (that I can see), so put your eggs in the basket cuz there’s only 1

A simple question? Lmao are you being disingenuous or are you that dumb? Come on

i get the media/messaging plan of "using PA", but how does the go on the ground? you literally lobby the PA to physically invade gaza with you? or are you saying no invasion at all?



no wrong answers. u are free to say you hate casualties more than Hamas, and would rather Israel just stops and lets Hamas keep attacking them, if thats your opinion.

if not, and you'd want hamas dead, give a plan. broad strokes will do. im all ears. or don't, just nay-say.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan were pretty bad responses. Iraq if we're being honest had very little to do with responding to 9/11 and was just used opportunistically by the neocons to finally get rid of Saddam and bring some freedom and democracy to Iraqi oil.

My point is not really that what we did should be a model, it shouldn't, and it was a terrible choice but rather that some response is necessary in a similar scale attack.

The 'do nothing' and 'do something' isn't a binary choice but rather a spectrum. Technically, Israel is doing something with some of these air strikes or small scale incursion but in the grand scheme of things that's very much on the side of the do nothing part of the spectrum. The opposite end, which is doing something is completely gutting Hamas and all their members, which is what they want and are promising to do. Only way to get rid of 30+k deeply burrowed and embedded militants is boots on the ground, complete war, pin point airstrikes will never accomplish that. Nor will passively asking the Palestinians to turn them in. Asking to turn them in is a very naïve understanding of Gaza power dynamics.

I don’t think military defeat of HAMAS is possible in current situation without overwhelming civilian casualties which will attract condemnation against Israel from their supporters. It probably doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things so long as US stays the course. US will strongarm Europe if push comes to shove - but unreserved support for Israeli cause might contain US foreign policy ambitions eg in the Middle East and Africa. Which might in turn reduce influence of the US in the long run - especially if Gaza ceases to exist.

If I were to make a qualified opinion I would suggest that Israel needs to create an intrinsic desire both domestically as well as within Palestine to find a bonafide compromise. It is beyond my understanding how to do that or why this has not happened in this region compared to all other cases we have observed over the course of recent history, but I refuse to accept “well they are just animals that live to murder us” as a final answer.

Israel cant do it over night but ~ they would have to present the civilian population with a credible long term alternative. While its true that this appears highly unlikely, there are precedents, such as in Northern Ireland.



what he said.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 19 2023 07:39am

How about I don't and keep shitting on you guys for mindlessly supporting the slaughter of civilians because you have been propagandized into room temperature IQ zombies who support whatever flavor of the week cause your dystopian government shoves down your throats?

If we are being honest with ourselves and truly want peace, some sort of occupation will be required. It just cannot occur rashly.

You lobby PA to join on the ground In rhetoric initially, and eventually on the ground after x time. The issue is it’s not like people of West Bank are sympathetic to Israel and they have objective rational to have this position. It will take proper navigation and US assistance, and Israeli admission of wrong doing in West Bank

You have PA playing a role in humanitarian aid to party unaffiliated civilians in Gaza during said occupation

it really starts with giving recognition to PA and acknowledging actions adverse to peace that have occurred in the Hamas free West Bank

The thing is I think true good faith actors are needed for this dream
To happen, and we are actively moving on the wrong direction with the cancellation of bidens Jordan trip

This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 19 2023 07:40am