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Nov 30 2018 03:07pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 30 2018 03:31pm)
Trump is going to resign in 2020.

Yes, mage, I’m aware of your theory that you believe with a 60-70% certainty that either Trump or someone in his circle of trust colluded with Russia to affect the 2016 election.

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Nov 30 2018 03:09pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 30 2018 03:51pm)
it is important, however, to put criticism into perspective. it's simply a fact that a lot of the criticism towards Trump is unfair, and that the media was a lot more friendly towards Obama.

when someone starts a discussion with "here's argument XY against Trump", it is very well a valid question to ask "is this criticism justified, or is it hyperbolic or hypocritical?"

some actual Trump cultists consider any and all criticism of their god-emperor as unjustified, yes. but this neither invalidates the desire to put criticism into perspective and to scrutinize its legitimacy, nor does it make anyone a "cultist" who refuses to swallow anything the media throws towards trump at face value.


>alot of the criticism towards trump is unfair
media tends to cover things that politicans say and trump says a lot of dumb shit, do you think that's an unfair or inaccurate assessment?
>media friendlier towards obama
why do you think that is?

no one says you have to follow any of the criticisms of trump at face value
it's the method of argument by which you reject said criticism that matters and frankly the cultists have neither arguments nor method at their disposal so they resort to memes and progressively dumber one liners
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Nov 30 2018 03:10pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 30 2018 04:04pm)
I can usually trust NPR to steer clear of fake news and instead just hemorrhage bias, selective presentation and absurd amounts of smug liberal condescension.
But nope, NPR went full blown fake news;


I've seen multiple people covering Russiagate who are usually pretty sharp make this same mistake(just on twitter though, not articles).

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Yes, mage, I’m aware of your theory that you believe with a 60-70% certainty that either Trump or someone in his circle of trust colluded with Russia to affect the 2016 election.

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I'm up to 80%.

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Nov 30 2018 03:11pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 30 2018 03:58pm)


i like how it's a flat circularish earth drawn on a flat sheet of paper in honour of card sultan

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Nov 30 2018 03:13pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Nov 30 2018 03:11pm)
i like how it's a flat circular earth drawn on a flat sheet of paper in honour of card sultan


"open your eyes sheeple, the political spectrum as you've been taught it is a lie. you're just blind because of all the propoganda you uncritically accepted in school. the political spectrum is actually a flat circle, basic experiments prove it"
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Nov 30 2018 03:13pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Nov 30 2018 11:09pm)

>media friendlier towards obama
why do you think that is?


any info on the kids obama torn out of bleeding arms of their mothers?
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Nov 30 2018 03:14pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 30 Nov 2018 16:04)
I can usually trust NPR to steer clear of fake news and instead just hemorrhage bias, selective presentation and absurd amounts of smug liberal condescension.
But nope, NPR went full blown fake news;
http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/30/npr-blatantly-lies-about-donald-trump-jr-s-2017-senate-testimony/

NPR cropped Jr's quote from a transcript out of context and presented it as if he said something completely different than what he said, even though the questions immediately before and after that one explicitly clarify what he was talking about and he answered the question about the trump tower deal earlier in the transcript and confirmed it was ongoing in 2016.
Here's NPR's quote:



Here's the quote in context, as the federalist points out:



Is there any way in which we can chalk this up as a mistake by a journalist?
I don't see how this could be done with simple lack of journalistic responsibility but would instead require malicious intent to willfully misrepresent what he said. How could they read that one passage without seeing the quotes immediately on either side of the transcript and still quote it verbatim? Someone had to consciously crop the quote to remove the bits that contradict their narrative.


I think it's probably a case of NPR not employing enough journalistic responsibility and a journalist(s) being too eager to try and hammer Don Jr. Editorial staff should have caught it.

It's sad. Trump's administration is probably one of the most corrupt in the country's history, but the left and liberal media have been too aggressive and overplayed their hand in a lot of cases. As a result, high-profile misplays and lapses cause them to permanently lose all credibility many people, and then all other stories that put Trump in a negative light are mistakenly thrown into the fake news basket.

Essentially, the US is in a very terrible position. We have a bad president who is currently being covered by an irresponsible, overzealous media. The President plays this up and uses this to his advantage with great effectiveness.
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Nov 30 2018 03:17pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 30 2018 03:10pm)
I've seen multiple people covering Russiagate who are usually pretty sharp make this same mistake.


This is a pretty egregious mistake. NPR misrepresented the quote and other media started echoing it around breathing life into the fake news story, making it the top trend on twitter, r/politics, etc.
They just issued their retraction a few minutes ago though, so at least there's that:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/30/672188201/trump-jr-s-2017-testimony-conflicts-with-cohen-s-account-of-russian-talks?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=politics&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2059

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Editor's note: An earlier version of this report mischaracterized an answer Donald Trump Jr. gave to Senate investigators in 2017 about the prospective projects his family was negotiating with people in Moscow.

The story reported that Trump Jr.'s response — that negotiations on one project concluded by the end of 2014 – contrasted with the version of events as laid out in the guilty plea by Michael Cohen on Thursday. In fact, Trump Jr. and investigators were alluding to a different set of negotiations — not to a deal that Cohen was reportedly pursuing. Trump Jr. did acknowledge in his testimony that Cohen and another man were exploring a possible deal in Moscow in 2015 or 2016.

Trump Jr. did not address what Cohen has now admitted — that talks about such a deal continued at least into June 2016, longer than previously known and well into the presidential campaign.
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Nov 30 2018 03:32pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Nov 30 2018 10:08pm)
i'm sure hillary would have been screeching about how fox news is the enemy of the people every 4 hours


wut if she would start to actually prosecute them like how obamba did? o_O

orange man still bigger of two evils then to a unhinged lefist ?

This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Nov 30 2018 03:34pm
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Nov 30 2018 03:43pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 30 2018 04:13pm)
"open your eyes sheeple, the political spectrum as you've been taught it is a lie. you're just blind because of all the propoganda you uncritically accepted in school. the political spectrum is actually a flat circle, basic experiments prove it"


i've taken the liberty of updating your scale so that people can insult one another more effectively on pard

for those that feel an urge to put a trumpet in their place


for those that feel an urge to put a libtard in their place


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