Trump has business dealings all over the world, so to have foreigners talk business with his son in law isn't out of the ordinary. I don't know what was said between Kushner & whomever so I'm not going to comment on that.

The difference is we know what was happening with the Clinton Foundation. I mean when the Qataris offer you 1 million dollars for 5 minutes of Clintons time, that's noteworthy. I mean yeah they skirted around with "well it was actually for Bills birthday" but that's pure bullshit and anyone with half a brain cell realizes what was going on. It's like donating to a political campaign or buying that politician expensive vacations, it doesn't take a rocket science to figure out why it's happening.

So, on the one hand, we have obvious attempts by foreigners to buy influence from a very influential politician, who even at that time was the heavy favorite as a near future Potus and you think that's not a threat to our democracy. We have proof that the DNC colluded against Bernie Sanders, another pretty obvious circumvention of democracy and you guys gloss over that like it's nothing.

So yes, you are a hypocrite. You ignore your sides wrongdoing that is blatant and verifiable yet you've spent the last two years crying daily about Trump and how he colluded with Russia.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 30 2018 12:07pm

Delusional.

that's certainly a good reason to avoid them. naturally raises your consistency.

not to toss in with the tinfoil, but imo HRC's insanely overpriced speeches are as much of a pay to play proof as anyone would need. not to indict her, but to know she's dirty af. the clinton foundation is a cess pool of pay to play or pay for legislation. the issue is it's not illegal and would be difficult to enforce even if it was.

i don't doubt the allegations but this is what passes for "verification" in your mind?

do you want to apply the same level of rigor to analyzing a guy who's at odds with his own admin over russia due to his own business dealings there?

This post was edited by duffman316 on Nov 30 2018 12:28pm

Obviously this is why it's the norm for presidents to divest from any business they have and release their tax returns... because foreign governments having financial leverage over a president is bad for the country.

Qatar wanted to meet with Bill for 5 minutes to hand him a million dollar check for the Clinton Foundation, which is a charitable organization. Qatar had been donating the equivalent amount since 2002. The Clinton's don't take any income from the foundation, and Hillary said she would refuse foreign donations to the foundation if she became president.

I think having the president's hotel in your country probably gives you more leverage as a foreign leader than writing a million dollar check to the president's charitable foundation. Both are concerning at different levels.

I'm not sure how I'm a hypocrite... I said it's concerning and I'm glad the FBI is looking into it.

you and endless do this far too often. you get hyperbolic and start revising history. somehow you guys moved icemage from "i held my nose and voted for clinton" to "has always and will always support everything HRC has done". a few years of shoulder brushing gifs and trolling has done a number on you all.

I think democrats prefer Trump agonizing for the remaining 2 years, consolidating a democrat prez alternative, eventually taking the blame for a major economical crisis (2019?).

His first son getting in prison will be something... And the subpoena cannon... He will suffer like no one did before (not a wish, just an opinion based facts and logic)

Now if Mueller managed to get a serious collusion proofs... I don't know... Too much based.


Stop deflecting on Clinton please it's getting annoying.

Emails that have been public and you could actually read for yourself, not have some pundit put some spin on it.



You highlight the bolded like it's some great feat of integrity. If 100 crooks go to a politician and give various gifts and then when that politician gets a higher post remembers who his "friends" were in the past and starts making decisions favorable to those friends, does it matter that she vouched she will no longer accept gifts?

Trump's business has been branding for decades. It was his business 20 years ago and it remains that today. His baseline didn't change, therefore a foreigner coming to him about his hotel businesses is not necessarily rent-seeking behavior.

The Clintons made their political career a business. Maybe it wasn't always like that, but it's been that way since her time as Secretary of State. You're a hypocrite because if you were consistent in your ideological stance you would be critical of all foreign intervention in our politics not just whichever flavor pundits tell you to be outraged about.

He has been supportive of her for as long as I remember. Sounds to me like you have a revisionist perspective because some of us that have been here long enough know who supported who. I remember him consistently voicing support for her, her policies, etc.

back to what year? pre 2016, 2016, or post 2016?

because after reading that i think you might be high on bath salts.