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Jan 15 2019 08:40am
Quote (IceMage @ 15 Jan 2019 14:57)
There's nothing manly about being completely insensitive to other people's feelings, or invoking massacres and racial stereotypes to attack a political opponent.

You Trump people have turned masculinity on it's head... now being a bully and a prick is seen as the pinnacle of manliness.


thats the whole point:

in recent decades, the culture of political correctness has increasingly created an environment in which a docile, considerate, submissive behavior is encouraged, if not expected. the climate is increasingly such that any white and any male, and white males in particular, who dont submissively and proactively chastise themselves for their privilege and the sins of their ancestors are considered rude and outrageous.

but assertiveness, standing by one's principles and beliefs, striving for dominance and fighting/aspiring for as high a position in society as possible is indeed archetypical manly behavior. in the current climate, however, it is labeled as "being a bully and a prick", or as "toxic masculinity".



more generally speaking:
they want whites and/or males to keep their heads down and cede power and wealth to other groups, no matter if the white male comes from a position of true privilege and wealth, or if he is actually poor and underprivileged to begin with. it's somewhat working with college-educated whites, and white college-educated women in particular, who are well-off and indeed have some privilege, and who will still remain relatively privileged even if they give some of their privilege away. it is failing spectacularly with non-privileged whites, and white men in particular, which is often times operationalized by the proxy variables "working-class" or "non-college educated" in polls. Trump is the living embodiment of a big fat F U to all of that, and that's why he does so well with white men without a college degree.

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thats the whole point:

in recent decades, the culture of political correctness has increasingly created an environment in which a docile, considerate, submissive behavior is encouraged, if not expected. the climate is increasingly such that any white and any male, and white males in particular, who dont submissively and proactively chastise themselves for their privilege and the sins of their ancestors are considered rude and outrageous.

but assertiveness, standing by one's principles and beliefs, striving for dominance and fighting/aspiring for as high a position in society as possible is indeed archetypical manly behavior. in the current climate, however, it is labeled as "being a bully and a prick", or as "toxic masculinity".



more generally speaking:
they want whites and/or males to keep their heads down and cede power and wealth to other groups, no matter if the white male comes from a position of true privilege and wealth, or if he is actually poor and underprivileged to begin with. it's somewhat working with college-educated whites, and white college-educated women in particular, who are well-off and indeed have some privilege, and who will still remain relatively privileged even if they give some of their privilege away. it is failing spectacularly with non-privileged whites, and white men in particular, which is often times operationalized by the proxy variables "working-class" or "non-college educated" in polls. Trump is the living embodiment of a big fat F U to all of that, and that's why he does so well with white men without a college degree.


That's a... cool story bro.

If you can't see the difference between traditional ideas of masculinity and Trump's bullying, vindictiveness, and pettiness, I don't know what to tell you brother. Were you raised to act that way? I wasn't.

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That's a... cool story bro.

If you can't separate traditional ideas of masculinity from Trump's bullying, vindictiveness, and pettiness, I don't know what to tell you brother.


I just explained where this "backlash of masculinity" which Trump is representing is coming from. I dont deny that he sometimes takes things too far in that direction.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 15 2019 09:56am)
I just explained where this "backlash of masculinity" which Trump is representing is coming from. I dont deny that he sometimes takes things too far in that direction.


I don't get it though... masculinity has been turned into a bad thing by society(according to you, I think it's an overstatement), so white guys elected someone who displays a bunch of characteristics that aren't masculine? Like being thin-skinned, being dishonest, being petty, etc etc?
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Quote (IceMage @ 15 Jan 2019 15:59)
I don't get it though... masculinity has been turned into a bad thing by society(according to you, I think it's an overstatement), so white guys elected someone who displays a bunch of characteristics that aren't masculine? Like being thin-skinned, being dishonest, being petty, etc etc?


I already mentioned it: Trump is also assertive, fighting for his beliefs, fighting against political correctness, fighting for dominance (his own and that of republicans domestically, american dominance on a global scale), and he's willing to put up with ugly optics to get results.
(Of course his pettiness and his tendency to seek empty optics and spectacle when he cant get results arent particularly masculine traits/behaviors.)

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Jan 15 2019 09:33am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 15 2019 08:29am)
I already mentioned it: Trump is also assertive, fighting for his beliefs, fighting against political correctness, fighting for dominance (his own and that of republicans domestically, american dominance on a global scale), and he's willing to put up with ugly optics to get results.
(Of course his pettiness and his tendency to seek empty optics and spectacle when he cant get results arent particularly masculine traits/behaviors.)


People don't fight against political correctness they fight against what offends them while insulting the sensitivities of others

Look at Trump and Void

two very emotional very easy to trigger dudes always ranting at and insulting others while constantly being upset and defensive about everything that hits close to home for them

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Jan 15 2019 09:36am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 15 2019 09:29am)
I already mentioned it: Trump is also assertive, fighting for his beliefs, fighting against political correctness, fighting for dominance (his own and that of republicans domestically, american dominance on a global scale), and he's willing to put up with ugly optics to get results.
(Of course his pettiness and his tendency to seek empty optics and spectacle when he cant get results arent particularly masculine traits/behaviors.)


his ugly optics have unarguably cost him incalculable results in his presidency.

his tone, behavior, divisiveness, inability to stay on topic, anti-PC mission, etc have cost him dearly. he had a mandate, he squashed it, got nothing done, and is not a 1-5 year lame duck president unless he can clear out the optics and win back the House without losing the Senate at the same time. he's currently Nanci and Chuck's bitch, legislatively. he has Executive orders, and fuckall else.

his path forward without changing the optics and winning back the legislature is to go after pure bipartisan avenues to get something done. criminal justice reform is a tasty flavor but he'll find it's far less bipartisan than the first measure once he gets further than skin deep. and that's it. there are no other issues that he can tackle in a bipartisan manner.

when people speak about trump's rhetoric with narratives like "he gets it done" or "he says what he has to" they're just being childishly naive. he has cost himself a great deal in his quest to counter the PC culture and media. no pragmatic person or anyone with a shred of logic could deny it. his first 2 years with both houses was squandered. at least Obummer got the healthcare bill.
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