Clinton foundation donations dropped 90% now that Hillary has no political future and can't sell favors to Russia. She belongs in a noose.

Not only an Obama and Clinton whataboutism, but also a false equivalence. Did either Obama or Clinton have the same level of potential conflicts of interest financially while in office as Trump?

Trump promised to leave his international, multi-million dollar real estate empire "in total" before taking office.

He should have at least upheld his promises to release his tax returns. But he knew Republicans wouldn't hold him accountable for that. Boy, he was right.

That's why we call it a cult.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 30 2018 09:56am

I bet you think obama was born in kenya

What is wrong with whataboutisms?

I don't excuse Trump's behavior, so I don't have a problem questioning the consistency / motives of those who are aghast at Trump but fine with Clinton.

Obama? No, probably not, so I'll drop it. Clinton? Absolutely, her entire "foundation" was a source of political and economic power.

I wish they had this consistency. Hillarys foundation pay to play was a real and verifiable thing. You literally had foreign actors pay millions of dollars to meet with the future Potus in an attempt to voice their concern, possibly lobby for some sort of desirable outcome. The TDS cult doesn't actually care about foreign actors influencing our politics or blatant circumvention of democracy like the DNC collusion.

in general whataboutisms are a bad idea for 2 reasons:

1. you're assuming the other person supports the "what about......" that you're using to point out hypocrisy, when in fact the might not.
2. from a debate standpoint you're handing them a free point if they lie. "what about HRC?"....."i hate her too", he lied.

in this case it seems somewhat valid, given the conversation. but generally its a bad idea if you care about being right and or scoring PARD points.

So just to be clear, you are both concerned about Hillary's use of her role as SoS to enrich Bill, and concerned about foreigners doing business with the Trump organization or Kushner organization to curry favor? Or are you demanding consistency from others without having it yourself?

I haven't seen any concrete evidence of some Hillary pay to play scheme, but apparently there was enough there for the FBI to open an investigation, so we'll see what happens. There's really no Hillary hacks here... and there's no deep state, so if the FBI finds it necessary to investigate a high profile politician, have at it.



I think as a general matter, people who constantly use whataboutisms are more guilty of being inconsistent than those who don't.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 30 2018 11:43am

Unverified right wing nutter conspiracy theories vs active pay to play at mar a lago

that's pretty much it's ever been about isn't it? hacks have no principles
the influence of money in politics is well documented but hacks do not care when it's their side that's "winning"