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Mar 29 2020 10:46am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 29 Mar 2020 17:43)
Do you mind spelling it out for me? Like what did Trump say (video or his tweet on the subject would be ideal) and how is it false.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/27/new-york-coronavirus-help-de-blasio-urges-trump-us-hotspots-emerge

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On Thursday evening, Trump downplayed the number of ventilators he thinks New York will need.

The president told Sean Hannity on Fox News: “I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be.”

He continued: “I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You go into major hospitals sometimes they’ll have two ventilators and now, all of a sudden, they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”
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Do you mind spelling it out for me? Like what did Trump say (video or his tweet on the subject would be ideal) and how is it false.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/26/trump-ventilators-coronavirus-151311

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Speaking with Fox News’ Sean Hannity on Thursday night, Trump again minimized the impact of the infectious outbreak in the United States, casting doubt on the demand for so many of the respiratory devices in hospitals on the front lines of the disease.

“I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be,” he said. “I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now, all of a sudden, they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”


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Mar 29 2020 11:06am
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 29 2020 12:47pm)


Fair enough.

One thing i'll point out though is both Trump and the doctor said i believe, meaning it's opinion. Like if i say i think the Dow is going to 26,000 by end of year and it only goes to 24,000 does that make me a liar?
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Quote (fender @ Mar 29 2020 08:10am)
oh right, and those states and hospitals that try to 'panic buy' equipment just happen to be the exact same ones that trump bitched about for not treating him nice enough? what a coincidence...
you know you don't have an argument if that is your best excuse for trump valuing his ego over the lives of your fellow citizens. pathetic.




Again... unknowable statistic. How do you know the panic buying didn't come first.

On top of that... the Dems and even the Republicans wouldn't let something like that fly. The Dems tried to impeach Trump with NO justification 2 times already. Do you really think they would let this go by without a fight?
I'm still trying to figure out what you have against the US. Something that would explain, even loosely, why you go on like this... day after day.







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Partisan divide returns in U.S. Congress on coronavirus next steps

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-mccarthy/partisan-divide-returns-in-u-s-congress-on-coronavirus-next-steps-idUSKBN21G0NM

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Fresh partisan divisions flared on Sunday on the next steps for the U.S. Congress in dealing with the coronavirus crisis, with the top House of Representatives Republican casting doubt on the need for more economic stimulus legislation while House Speaker Nancy Pelosi signaled she plans to move forward with it.


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“What concerns me is when I listen to Nancy Pelosi talk about a fourth package now. It’s because she did not get in the things she really wanted,” McCarthy said, mentioning election law and environmental policy changes and funding for women’s healthcare and abortion provider Planned Parenthood as initiatives he accused Pelosi of wanting to pursue.




Ya gotta give Pelosi one thing anyway... she doesn't give up, no matter how inane her mission.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 29 2020 01:06pm)
Fair enough.

One thing i'll point out though is both Trump and the doctor said i believe, meaning it's opinion. Like if i say i think the Dow is going to 26,000 by end of year and it only goes to 24,000 does that make me a liar?


Fauci is the expert here and he seems to agree with whatever experts are informing Cuomo. Trump goes on Hannity and says they don't need that many. What is that informed by? Is he just baselessly speculating because he wishes the virus weren't a serious problem and he doesn't want to be responsible for getting NY ventilators?

What's worse, overpreparing and having excess supply after this is over or underpreparing and having many more people die?
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Mar 29 2020 11:27am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 29 2020 12:43pm)
Do you mind spelling it out for me? Like what did Trump say (video or his tweet on the subject would be ideal) and how is it false.


Trump didn't look as bad as IceMage wanted him to, so IceMage rewrote the history books.
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Mar 29 2020 11:29am
Just imagine how much of a shit-show this would be if Barracka Flocka Obongo was in charge.

The retard would have let in refugees from Wuhan to show his compassion.
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Just imagine how much of a shit-show this would be if Barracka Flocka Obongo was in charge.

The retard would have let in refugees from Wuhan to show his compassion.




He probably would have flown them in at US expense. :/
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Mar 29 2020 11:33am
Quote (IceMage @ 29 Mar 2020 18:23)
Fauci is the expert here and he seems to agree with whatever experts are informing Cuomo. Trump goes on Hannity and says they don't need that many. What is that informed by? Is he just baselessly speculating because he wishes the virus weren't a serious problem and he doesn't want to be responsible for getting NY ventilators?

What's worse, overpreparing and having excess supply after this is over or underpreparing and having many more people die?


On top, if the US really ends up with excess supply, there will definitely be countless poorer countries still struggling with the pandemic which gladly take them.
So basically, it's impossible for these ventilators to not be of good use...
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Mar 29 2020 11:38am
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 29 2020 01:23pm)
Fauci is the expert here and he seems to agree with whatever experts are informing Cuomo. Trump goes on Hannity and says they don't need that many. What is that informed by? Is he just baselessly speculating because he wishes the virus weren't a serious problem and he doesn't want to be responsible for getting NY ventilators?

What's worse, overpreparing and having excess supply after this is over or underpreparing and having many more people die?


Lets just do some very basic research.

2 days ago we had less than 30,000 cases of corona in NYC, currently as of today is it's between 31-32k

Some basic research on corona and hospitalization:

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the model then uses the best current estimates of how long someone is infectious (14 days); how many new cases each infected person causes (called the effective reproduction number, it’s about 2.5); the percentage of Covid-19 patients who need to be hospitalized (5%, reflecting the fact that most people have only mild or moderate illness); the percentage who need to be in an ICU (2%) or on a ventilator (1%); and the length of stay for each of these three.


https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-model-shows-hospitals-what-to-expect/

31,000*.01=310 ventilators

Cuomo said he needs 30,000 ventilators now, Trump said he doesn't believe they need that many.

What we have:

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New York state already had 4,000 in the system and has since purchased 7,000 on the private market. Another 4,000 will come from federal sources, the governor said earlier this week.


15,000 ventilators in NY currently/.01(need for ventilators)=1.5 million people who could be serviced that get infected.


So in your opinion, do you think New York right now needs 30,000 ventilators given this data? 30,000+15,000/.01=4.5 million

Unless NY explodes to 4.5 million cases fairly soon, we would have a colossal mismanagement of a critical resource. What do you think?

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