Quote (fender @ May 26 2022 01:49am)

what part of "they all come to similar conclusions, with the US reliably ranking well below the freest countries (many of which european)" do you not understand?

also, if you had the slightest clue about the actual motives and background of the war on drugs, how and where it was enforced, the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine, you'd be embarrassed to even try and portray it as "well-intentioned law". it might have been sold as such, but the reality is so much darker. do some research, buddy.

again, my main point: your guns do not contribute in any positive way to whatever actual "freedom" you have, quite the opposite...

Quote (Sh00p @ May 25 2022 06:54pm)

Yes. The person that was bullied half thier life went out and shot people.

Good thing it was in texas where this was a hefty dose of karma anyway.

Quote (bogie160 @ 26 May 2022 01:54)

So post one that comes to a similar conclusion and walk me through the methodology. Or just post the methodology, something better than random numbers on a page with the hashtag "Trust me".

Yes, the war on drugs was a nefarious attempt to re-enslave the Negro, perpetuated by elites in dark, smoke-filled rooms. So nefarious that it was launched with the whole-hearted support of the black community. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 26 May 2022 02:01)

a german guy talking about how the states are less free, what the hell :lol:

and i dont disagree with some of your criticism (especially the prison sentences for random addicts) aside from your classic leftie anti america hate

the united states are significantly more free (with drawbacks) or have you forgotten the draconic lockdowns among other shit that didnt happen in most places in the states? did you forget how our scumbag politicians sent armed police to harass people for leaving the house?

the only freedom you have here is being a tax slave from to 18 to 70, where most of your entire livelihood is taxes: half of your paycheck gone, fill up your tank is three quarters in taxes etc

all of that to pay for all kinds of stupidity and the state still cant manage basic tasks

then you get ~ 48% of your wages as a pension that for millions of people does not even pay the rent, awesome freedom

sure, in america you can fall much lower than that, but the upside is so much higher for everyone who is not a fucking dumbass

Quote (Sh00p @ May 25 2022 04:54pm)

Yes. The person that was bullied half thier life went out and shot people.

Good thing it was in texas where this was a hefty dose of karma anyway.

Quote (sirthom @ May 25 2022 05:03pm)

Bet he wouldn't have been bullied in mexico...where he belongs.
And a giant fvck you for saying little kids deserved it.
POS status confirmed.
Would like love to give you all the karma you can't handle. :evil:

Quote (Skinned @ May 25 2022 06:12pm)

Maybe it will be your kid one day and it will be important.

Why can't conservatives conceptualize of a thing until it affects them?

Quote (Sixers @ May 25 2022 09:26pm)

I'm not a conservative lol.

Just someone thinking rationally and not blinded by the media hype and emotion. I stated facts, 10 total (yes ten) out of 7 MILLION kids in America aged 19 or younger in 2020 were killed in school shootings. Just as likely to be struck by lighting than be killed in a school shooting that year.

It's a problem because the media pushes their narrative on guns every chance they can, and no better opportunity than tragic school massacres.

Quote (fender @ May 25 2022 08:39pm)

i see you committed to the "hurr durr, i don't even know basic facts about recent american history - show me evidence that is irrefutable even for a bad faith, gun obsessed dirtbag with an agenda, or it didn't happen" angle.
you know, it's kinda funny how you state my alleged extraordinary claim without me ever having explicitly described it. it's almost like your ignorance is at least partly feigned, and you're simply hoping that semantics will somehow get you out of a lost argument.

here's your extraordinary evidence, in case your ignorance is genuinely that severe:

https://ldi.upenn.edu/our-work/research-updates/the-war-on-drugs-as-structural-racism/

regarding your silly talking point about the support of the black community, you simply act like the officially stated goal, the sales pitch that eventually made it to the public, honestly described what the actual intentions and content of the legislation were. that's either incredibly naive or, more likely, highly disingenuous.

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But Ehrlichman's claim is likely an oversimplification, according to historians who have studied the period and Nixon's drug policies in particular. There's no doubt Nixon was racist, and historians told me that race could have played one role in Nixon's drug war. But there are also signs that Nixon wasn't solely motivated by politics or race: For one, he personally despised drugs — to the point that it's not surprising he would want to rid the world of them. And there's evidence that Ehrlichman felt bitter and betrayed by Nixon after he spent time in prison over the Watergate scandal, so he may have lied.

More importantly, Nixon's drug policies did not focus on the kind of criminalization that Ehrlichman described. Instead, Nixon's drug war was largely a public health crusade — one that would be reshaped into the modern, punitive drug war we know today by later administrations, particularly President Ronald Reagan.

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The numbers back this up. According to the federal government's budget numbers for anti-drug programs, the "demand" side of the war on drugs (treatment, education, and prevention) consistently got more funding during Nixon's time in office (1969 to 1974) than the "supply" side (law enforcement and interdiction).

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"Nixon was really worried about kids and drugs," David Courtwright, a drug policy historian at the University of North Florida, told me. "He saw illicit drug use by young people as a form of social rot, and it's something that weakens America."