Quote (IceMage @ Dec 4 2021 05:22pm)
You mean like the dogmatic belief in a woman's bodily autonomy, no matter what new information we learn about the fetus's ability to feel pain? Let's not pretend the only dogmatic among us are religious people.
I don't know that new information is relevant here. Some either do not think an unborn human has moral value, or it does have moral value, but a woman's bodily autonomy is something the state can't violate, even to protect the unborn. And those on my side believe that the unborn life has moral value and it's acceptable for the state to punish those who intentionally end that life.
The state is not and should not be in the business of regulating moral value. IMO this is a foundationallty wrong assumption you are making.
Religious people have this little section of the brain, with a bouncer that says "critical thought not allowed here". I'm not saying this as some edge atheist who thinks all Christians are dumb. I know a lot of super smart Christians, but when you ask them to engage that part of their brain with the same intellectual rigor they engage with at their day job, they just refuse. You're doing that right now. There's a wealth of discussion to be had on the topic of abortion, but you are stuck on only answering "the right questions", as opposed to the actual issues, because the actual issues relating to abortion are stuck behind that "no critical thought" bouncer that your religious beliefs have installed.
And we all have that bouncer somewhere. There's lines most people won't cross. I spent most of my 20's being an edgy little shit who liked identifying those lines with everybody I met, and I found they're in everyone. But religious lines have an extra layer. It's not just getting you to engage with an uncomfortable topic. You have the threat of eternal torture and social isolation all rolled into one with that bouncer. It's arguably the most powerful bouncer you can possibly install. I can pretty constently get people IRL to engage with pretty much all lines now, except religious ones. Religious ones are like, literally the only ones that people will consistently refuse to engage on.
This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Dec 4 2021 09:35pm