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Mar 12 2020 07:06am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 12 2020 08:00am)
Despite some obvious parallels, I still think that there are very important differences:

- Biden has much better favorables than HRC, he's not the boogeyman for half the country.
- Biden in 2020 has run as the decidedly "non-woke" candidate, while HRC in 2016 specifically stressed her wokeness.



There are also important differences on the Trump-side of the equation:

- Trump in 2016 was a blank sheet in a lot of ways; many voters, particularly white working-class voters, were able to project their hopes and dreams onto his campaign. In 2020, everyone knows what a Trump presidency looks like. Many fears and hopes have not come true.
- Trump in 2016 had a chaotic trainwreck of a campaign, and only tepid support from the Republican estbablishment. In 2020, he has forced the party into submission, it is his party now. His campaign will be much better organized and well funded.


i think two points that temper yours are that:

1. bidens favor-ability is being challenged every day with outbursts and clear signs of aging

2. trump had tepid support from republican establishment, but still got republican votes.

im curious to see how many "i just wont vote for HRC" voters were out there compared to actual trump voters (and further what % feel the same about Biden), and what the falling stock market will do to Trump's moderate support.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 12 2020 07:06am
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Mar 12 2020 07:13am
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i think two points that temper yours are that:

1. bidens favor-ability is being challenged every day with outbursts and clear signs of aging

2. trump had tepid support from republican establishment, but still got republican votes.

im curious to see how many "i just wont vote for HRC" voters were out there compared to actual trump voters (and further what % feel the same about Biden), and what the falling stock market will do to Trump's moderate support.


Yes, Biden's mental decline is the big unknown of this race when it comes to the candidates, and the economy (and the healthcare system's ability to deal with the fallout of the coronavirus epidemy) is the big unknown when it comes to exogenous factors.

But as I said before: Biden only needs to win a majority of delegates to clinch the nomination. from that point on, if Biden's decline turns out to be so rapid that he wont be a viable candidate for the general election, the DNC can replace him with someone else. Now, who could that be?
They dont want Bernie. Everyone else from this year's Demcoratic field proved to be weak. So they would be looking for a person who's very qualified, perhaps even the most qualified. They would be looking for some diversity. They would be looking for someone who has proven able to win more votes than Trump. You know where this is going...





Hillary 2016: It's my turn
Hillary 2020: I am inevitable :rofl: :rofl:

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 12 2020 07:14am
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Mar 12 2020 07:38am
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Yes, Biden's mental decline is the big unknown of this race when it comes to the candidates, and the economy (and the healthcare system's ability to deal with the fallout of the coronavirus epidemy) is the big unknown when it comes to exogenous factors.

But as I said before: Biden only needs to win a majority of delegates to clinch the nomination. from that point on, if Biden's decline turns out to be so rapid that he wont be a viable candidate for the general election, the DNC can replace him with someone else. Now, who could that be?
They dont want Bernie. Everyone else from this year's Demcoratic field proved to be weak. So they would be looking for a person who's very qualified, perhaps even the most qualified. They would be looking for some diversity. They would be looking for someone who has proven able to win more votes than Trump. You know where this is going...





Hillary 2016: It's my turn
Hillary 2020: I am inevitable :rofl: :rofl:


oh god. please. no.

ive never wanted something less in my whole life, and one time a 300 lb hairy man hit on me at a bar.
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oh god. please. no.

ive never wanted something less in my whole life, and one time a 300 lb hairy man hit on me at a bar.


I have a name...
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I have a name...


i said things i DONT want, this chap was uggo.
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oh god. please. no.

ive never wanted something less in my whole life, and one time a 300 lb hairy man hit on me at a bar.


But for real: in this scenario, the Bernie bros would burn Milwaukee to the fucking ground, and I'm not exaggerating.

In general... I'm 99% sure that Hillary could defeat Trump if she could travel back in time to Aug 2016 with what she knows now, but I'm doubtful that she could beat him in 2020. She would still be the perfect foil for him, just this time with an added "sore loser" aura to her, and even more progressives flat out refusing to vote for her.


Which brings me back to my earlier point, just this time I'm not joking but asking honestly: if it becomes clear that Biden's decline is too rapid for him to be viable in the general election campaign, what would/should the DNC do?
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Mar 12 2020 08:35am
Quote (thesnipa @ 12 Mar 2020 09:38)
oh god. please. no.

ive never wanted something less in my whole life, and one time a 300 lb hairy man hit on me at a bar.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 12 2020 08:13am)
Yes, Biden's mental decline is the big unknown of this race when it comes to the candidates, and the economy (and the healthcare system's ability to deal with the fallout of the coronavirus epidemy) is the big unknown when it comes to exogenous factors.

But as I said before: Biden only needs to win a majority of delegates to clinch the nomination. from that point on, if Biden's decline turns out to be so rapid that he wont be a viable candidate for the general election, the DNC can replace him with someone else. Now, who could that be?
They dont want Bernie. Everyone else from this year's Demcoratic field proved to be weak. So they would be looking for a person who's very qualified, perhaps even the most qualified. They would be looking for some diversity. They would be looking for someone who has proven able to win more votes than Trump. You know where this is going...

Hillary 2016: It's my turn
Hillary 2020: I am inevitable :rofl: :rofl:


Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 12 2020 08:38am)
oh god. please. no.

ive never wanted something less in my whole life, and one time a 300 lb hairy man hit on me at a bar.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only person they can run that will make me vote for Trump is Hillary Clinton.
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Mar 12 2020 09:00am
https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/03/11/new-poll-shows-biden-with-a-staggering-44-point-lead-over-sanders-1266598

Biden up 44% over Sanders in Florida, 66% to 22%. At least Sanders is viable, I guess? ^_^
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 12 Mar 2020 11:30)
there were plenty of pundits who immediately after the targeted strikes on Suleimani said that Iran was not in the position to strike back meaningfully or even escalate the situation further. it was a calculated risk that Trump took to put the Iranian aggression in check, and the calculation turned out to be correct. describing this process as him "trying his best to start a war with Iran" is preposterous.


holy fuck, is there any limit to your cheerleading? from science denial to rewriting history, you simply don't care, whatever it takes to make excuses for your cult leader, huh? hacks gonna hack...
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