fender aka heinrich getting absolutely destroyed by the truth. warmongering sauerkraut-sniffers never win just like 1919 and 1945

fender aka heinrich getting absolutely destroyed by the truth. warmongering sauerkraut-sniffers never win just like 1919 and 1945



this pale pasty privileged lefty racist foreign voyeur, who is a hilter-lover anti-semetic scumstain, keeps contradicting Pres Obama who said “no reasonable person thinks you can hack the election”

but fender aka heinrich isn’t reasonable. there is no reason in the gutters of Dresden, only sewage

oh the poor Germans have to support this pay for its internet and keep it fed lmfao

all you did was point out that not every state deemed it necessary to purchase new machines.
so you are trying to abolish the line between state/federal and just make things federally operated.

the best you've been able to clarify on your claims that "everyone knows Russia meddled", is only clarified with more vague terminology.

so far you have stated that meddling = influencing and undermining the election.
this has nothing to do with votes, voting machines, or procedure. henceforth, nothing to do with your needs for this bill by this example.

for the fifth time now. "what" did they do?
if it boils down to releasing "opinions", then the pope is also guilty of slamming climate change agenda down our throats, and ousting trump with his "build bridges not walls" slogan.
in fact the whole world is guilty.

it's hard to make the claim that "everyone knows Russia meddled", when you are unable to list any example of such.
that's why i asked 2 basic questions at the start. i believe "you" have no idea, nor do i believe most people do.



This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Jul 28 2019 05:10pm

Since fenderp dodged, I'll answer for him. Well, I'll let the report he posted speak for itself.

1) "how exactly have the russian government (or close affiliates) "meddled"?"









2) "2. does this "meddling" alter votes that are already cast, or add illegal votes? "







This post was edited by IgoSoHard on Jul 28 2019 06:03pm

i have literally answered that question twice, and no matter how desperately you want to stress this point to pretend that trump encouraging russia to meddle with the elections and then lying to cover that up isn't a big deal, because they technically did not change vote directly (this is the third time now, l2r), it's a shitty defense considering the massive efforts they (partly successfully) undertook, and still do. red states not caring about securing their elections as long as it benefits them doesn't make that better either.

some of the heavily redacted parts detail their attacks, but what we know is that they tried in all 50 states, and that they targeted voter registration data and election software amongst other things:






btw, the fact that russia successfully infiltrated voter registration data (probably the most effective way to influence elections, republicans know a thing or two about that of course since it's the core of their voter disenfranchisement strategy) in several states, to a point where they "were in a position to, at a minimum, alter or delete voter registration data; however, they did not appear to be in a position to manipulate individual votes or aggregate vote totals." ( https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/RussRptInstlmt1-%20ElecSec%20Findings,Recs2.pdf ).

again, i know trumptards want to push the 'if no vote was actively changed from (D) to (R) by russia, it's fine' narrative, because they feel that the scope of russia's meddling delegitimises their emperor's electoral college win, but that's just a ridiculous premise, that i (just like all the intelligence agencies, mueller, even the republican lead commissions, and every person with more than one working brain cell) reject entirely.

sticking strictly to the listed report... well-picked.
although i'll state that section "V. (U)RUSSIAN INTENTIONS" is filled with a lot of "may have" and "might have"

from this report, "this" is clearly something that should be addressed and try to prevent any future "successful attempts".

i'll add that Russia is not our close ally. Russia is not the only country to worry about as well.

your post itself is worthy of continuing debate... if we not attributing this to the original failed bill Fender was complaining about.
there is already action by congress to fund cyber-security and machinery "as needed", as well as assess setting a new budget after the current budget is spent.
there is also reworkings within DHS and FBI to help prevent cyber-security issues. as well as numerous funding increases to FBI funding for this subject. (not listed in that report)
unless you feel there was meaning to that bill that isn't being currently addressed? you've taken time to address the issue far better than fender has so far.

it's funny how gullible you are, just believing the profiteers of russia's meddling that they are already addressing the issue sufficiently, when ALL experts, even those on the republican side, clearly state that's not the case, that additional measures and funds are required to secure the elections.

what's maybe even funnier is that turtle mitch accidentally already admitted what's so blatantly obvious through his actions, making all your hackery useless, apart from exposing your obvious bias: trump's republicans are not interested in securing elections because that would help democrats. everything that makes MORE people vote, everything that allows votes to count EQUALLY, everything that makes elections FAIRER and more EQUAL benefits democrats. republicans have lost the battle of ideas, so now they have to resort to 'winning' elections by rigging them...

This post was edited by fender on Jul 28 2019 07:03pm

how do they "need" more money? they have not "spent" the money they have, and they also will be getting a budget increase when that money is spent.

why are you finishing this on destroying the electoral college? what was your bill going to accomplish again?

Nobody's saying as long as no votes were changed it's fine, you're projecting that. Which is really just a deflection, from the fact that the narrative you & the other TDS retards pushed for 2+ years fell apart...

It went from Trump & Co colluded with Russia to affect & win the 2016 election to...ok, he didn't collude & they didn't help him win..but...they did try to meddle! & you guys DoNt EvEn CaRe

dems: "listen, we should definitely secure our elections. even republican lead intelligence committees admitted that russians attacked every single state, successfully infiltrated several to a point where they gained access to sensible voter registration data. particularly states that have voting machines not producing paper ballots are vulnerable to their cyber attacks. this is a bill pushing for and funding these changes."

mitch: "not gonna happen, that'll help democrats."

interested observer: "how can anyone defend that? especially coming from the party that loves to portray itself as patriotic. unbelievable."

trumptards: "this is totally fine, there might be some money over from the entirely insufficient funding from last year. sure, some red states outright refuse to secure their systems, and the money wouldn't be enough anyway, but hey, the russians technically didn't switch any votes, and some people claimed things are being done. everyone criticising inaction and opposition to foreign interference just has TDS - haha, i am very intelligent."