We put them in fully loaded cars and import them from outside the community

I like the idea of good people armed protecting their communities

not what we have been shifting to over the decades as far as how we interact



It's not crap

A powerful police presence in the community is weakened by abuse and lack of accountability

Accountability is strength, it's credibility. Good cops and departments should want the same thing communities want

and communities should help the police by not making the hostility worse

i find this viewpoint to be entirely tinfoily. slippery slope doesnt apply here. there are plenty of states this has happened to and they've had challenges, they have diminished police power, but still function and still have police forces.

people want 120 credit college educated police, people want more oversight, cameras on them at all times, less protection in cases of murder, etc. they dont want no police, and they arent going to push for that in the long run. its fantasy.

W/o even going back through the article I can assure you I can't. If you'll notice at the top... Updated Sept 7 2018 :/

It might not even have been THAT specific article. I was reading tons of them when it happened. But I honestly don't have a horse in this issue, so I've really no reason to prevaricate.

I've been noticing that a lot lately. Couldn't do that back in the hard copy newspaper days.



/e



All well and good. Great ideas. However, that's what it looks like from our viewpoint with the police we have now.
Once we get you dream police force, time will pass a generation or two, and then the complaints with your dream police will start...and poof...slippery slope.
Research the conviction rates.

This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 18 2018 03:48pm

Society is more safe now than ever. Police r needed less.

But fear that the next generation will fuck it all up for......reasons.... Isnt anything but tinfoil to me.

Society only seems safe, because we have serious police. Klaatu barada nikto

Well, maybe when you've lived through 3 generations of people, your viewpoint might change a bit. I know mine did.

/e I remember getting told: "You can't wear tennis shoes downtown, go change them immediately".
Now a days you can almost go naked any where you want. Things change all the time.


One thing that never seems to change is that some people for w/e reason, think it's OK to cheat, break the rules, steal, rape, kill, etc. That's been true for 5000 years plus.

This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 18 2018 03:58pm

lol wut? The article says it was updated on Sep 7th at 2:17 PM Eastern time. It was linked in the original post on Sep 7 at 10:19 PM Eastern time. The article doesn't claim to have been altered after the discussion began.

So go back to post 260 http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=79478549&f=119&p=536184340

and try again

This post was edited by Kayeto on Sep 18 2018 03:58pm

I edited bro. When a new topic comes up I read the links in the article, and tons of others from hopefully fairly reliable sources. Aka, not the Onion for example.
Trust me, the story (facts) changed over a period of about 2-3 days.

not all police brutality cases involve a victim doing anything wrong

just because a person commits a crime doesn't mean their treatment by an officer or officers is justified

Sometimes police will have to make tough choices based on dangerous interactions but those aren't what reasonable people criticize

Dude, I never said the world was perfect. I go with the Winston Churchill quote: "Democracy is the worst system, except for all the others".

In most things I substitute the subject of the current topic in for the word democracy. Police are the worst system, except for all the others.

ok, so now that we have that whole tangent about post 132 out of the picture, let's back up and try the original question again:

If the current story we have heard from Guyger is what gets presented in court as her testimony, what verdict do you think the jury will reach?

For the sake of clarity, the phrase "current story" refers to this version:
2. She parked on "wrong level" in garage (which presumably led to her floor confusion), key wouldn't work in lock, door was "open" she opened the door and walked in, assumed the guy was in her apt. and shot.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Sep 18 2018 04:08pm