hahahha, I can agree with that.

Why do you anthropomorphize god (he)? Not trying to be pedantic.

Just to be clear, "liberal" on this forum refers to the common use of the word in politics. This isn't psci 101.

How is veganism not consistent with liberal ideas? Liberals are the ones who are taking climate change seriously(at least more seriously than conservatives). Legislation on the humane treatment of animals in factory farming will inevitably come from liberals.

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 21 2016 03:38pm

...something you might not be aware of - the Bible teaches than man and animal were originally vegetarian/vegan and as a result of the fall became meat eaters , in fact the first animal ever slain was for its skin to cover their nakedness according to the Bible ; a further teaching is that after the Earth is restored to it's perfect state both man and animal will be restored to vegetarian/vegan .

Yeah I included the common use of the word in politics when I said contemporary sense.



Because it isn't consistent in any way with liberal ideals. And by that I don't mean it's strictly inconsistent, but that it's just outside the scope.

You're right that more liberals would promote it than conservatives, but I don't think that means it's a liberal idea. Like how more liberals are atheist than conservatives--it's just outside the scope of liberal/conservative, i.e. atheism isn't a liberal ideal.

This post was edited by Nathan on Mar 21 2016 03:41pm

I don't. I think that morality and value are intrinsic parts of the world, and that (some) humans have begun to merely discover it, not create it. So if God made the world, he made a world in which (utilitarian) hedonism is the correct ethical system.



Yes I have indeed heard that. Though I see no reason why not to just stop now instead of wait.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Mar 21 2016 03:42pm

...or the fallen ethical system

Indeed! Great point!

I mean referring to god in masculine terms when you don't even believe in one.

Seeing that I'm yet to encounter any valid counter-argument to the many arguments against meat eating I think that the deficiency lies either in the spinal area or in the critical faculties. Empathy might be an incentive to act correctly, but it is certainly not the only one


Bentham >


I thought that this was a Jehovah's Wittness thing only, those pamphlets that they hand out feature it at times