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Mar 9 2014 08:15pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 9 2014 08:48pm)
It's not accurate at all though, I agree with corporatist, pretty much everybody is statist and interventionist so those are a  pretty useless description.

Fascist isn't really accurate since we aren't getting imprisoned for defying him, unless you think a hard Republican targeting tea party groups is Obama's actions.


You dont necessarily have to imprison everyone who doesn't like you to be fascistic. He does claim the power to arrest anyone or assassinate anyone without charges or a trial tho..

Have you heard of Fascist corporatism? It has a lot of overlap with what we have now.
Its the government controlling economic sectors from the top down.
We all know Obama and co like to strictly control sectors of the economy and tell them a million different things they can or cant do, but leaves them nominally in private ownership.(which is why socialism isnt the most accurate)
Militarism is another classic piece of fascism. I think we've got that one on lockdown.

Mr "ive got a pen and i've got a phone" .. and an all encompassing NSA dragnet system.

Its not to say we're zomg nazi germany or anything, but we've slipped down the path to fascism and authoritarianism in many areas far too much for my liking.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 9 2014 04:23pm)
Tell that to the Republicans.... and you can't just ignore 1/3rd of their positions when making an evaluation.

He also surged troops and made plans to stay, only to get kicked out by the country we had them in.
He kept almost all of Bush's cabinet and advisors.
Expanded protection of pharmaceutical companies.

I'm not saying he's hard right or anything, but the most left you can reasonably describe him is towards the center even taking America's middle as the center.


I do tell it to the Republicans. All the time. The people who were against Giuliani and Romney in 2008 got shit on by me. Do you remember ZeusPwnsAll? I literally tracked him down in real life, and threw a bag of shit at him. We were in the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression and these dumb fuckers were worried about gay marriage and abortion. Truly unbelievable.

And why not ignore social positions for the President? I don't remember a President really fighting for social justice since Nixon. Maybe GWB in regards to abortion with the PBABA but he was more concerned with national security. As for the issue of national security, it's really hard to tell what is right and what is left now. Both parties seem to bitch when it's not their guy in office. Obama does seem to be a bit "weaker" than Bush on FP though. Besides Gates, who else did Obama keep in his cabinet?

Granted, I can understand why Obama doesn't seem "left" to you given that you're much further to the left than the average American. A centrist to you would be considered pretty far left according to America's barometer.
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Quote (thundercock @ Mar 9 2014 08:57pm)
I do tell it to the Republicans. All the time. The people who were against Giuliani and Romney in 2008 got shit on by me. Do you remember ZeusPwnsAll? I literally tracked him down in real life, and threw a bag of shit at him. We were in the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression and these dumb fuckers were worried about gay marriage and abortion. Truly unbelievable.

And why not ignore social positions for the President? I don't remember a President really fighting for social justice since Nixon. Maybe GWB in regards to abortion with the PBABA but he was more concerned with national security. As for the issue of national security, it's really hard to tell what is right and what is left now. Both parties seem to bitch when it's not their guy in office. Obama does seem to be a bit "weaker" than Bush on FP though. Besides Gates, who else did Obama keep in his cabinet?

Granted, I can understand why Obama doesn't seem "left" to you given that you're much further to the left than the average American. A centrist to you would be considered pretty far left according to America's barometer.


Funny thing is I'm not that left compared to most people I talk too. There's been plenty of literature showing that chances are you're one notch more towards center left than you claim to be. Very conservative is typically moderate, far left is typically center left, etc. etc.

I'd definitely agree there's a time and place for social policy, however the President signs the laws. He's just as important as the congress on a lot of issues since he has to sign things as well, so considering social policy is valid when assigning a position even if it's not always the most important part.

I was probably wrong to say cabinet, gimme a bit to refine that one.
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Mar 9 2014 09:11pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 9 2014 07:04pm)
Funny thing is I'm not that left compared to most people I talk too.  There's been plenty of literature showing that chances are you're one notch more towards center left than you claim to be.  Very conservative is typically moderate, far left is typically center left, etc. etc.

I'd definitely agree there's a time and place for social policy, however the President signs the laws.  He's just as important as the congress on a lot of issues since he has to sign things as well, so considering social policy is valid when assigning a position even if it's not always the most important part.

I was probably wrong to say cabinet, gimme a bit to refine that one.


He does sign the laws. However, the big social issues are gay marriage and abortion. None of those are going to be decided on the national stage via legislation. What other social policies (civil rights issues) are determined on the national level? As for my views, I'm pretty centrist on most issues. It really depends on the issue though.
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Mar 12 2014 05:51am
And also sadly, the opposite people do not realize that NOTdilling for oil WILL raise prices.
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And also sadly, the opposite people do not realize that NOTdilling for oil WILL raise prices.


Oh, in that case, frack away.
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Oh, in that case, frack away.


I'd be fine with fracking if they weren't exempt from the clean air and water act. Ya know, the thing that says you can't poison a town's water supply. It would keep faucets from catching on fire....

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I'd be fine with fracking if they weren't exempt from the clean air and water act.  Ya know, the thing that says you can't poison a town's water supply.  It would keep faucets from catching on fire....


Id be all for punishing them if you actually proved it poisoned a towns water supply.
I haven't seen such proof yet. Instead I've seen videos of guys stomping up and down yelling that scientists tested their water and it turned out fracking had nothing to do with it.

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Falsehood 1: You can light your tap water on fire. Fox made this claim famous in the first Gasland movie when he showed a resident of Colorado striking a match as water came out of his tap; the natural gas dissolved in the water burst into flame. Yet the water was tested by the Colorado Department of Natural Resources, which reported to the resident: "There are no indications of any oil & gas related impacts to your well water." The agency concluded that the natural gas in his water supply was derived from natural sources—the water well penetrated several coal beds that had released the methane into the well.
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Quote (boognis @ Mar 12 2014 06:37am)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/p526x296/227519_10150255607011823_2494312_n.jpg


People think that? Lol. Probably the same people who think Global Warming means it wouldn't be snowing in Ohio this winter or evolution means their uncle would be a monkey :lol:

Oh wait...that's not funny...its true. :(

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