Nothing you say is rooted in reality.
Lets look at what you say.
1. "Israel plays second-fiddle to America, they are subordinate.” The events last year and this year contradict what you said. The US was negotiating with Iran, Israel said it was going to attack Iran regardless, and the US subsequently agreed, with Israel, to also attack iran. ergo, the US in this instance, "plays second-fiddle to <Israel>, they <America> are subordinate <to Israel>.
2. "Helping shitty people fight shittier people is as grey as it gets" You mean like when the US helped Saddam to attack Iran, because the US was still chafing from having the Shah deposed in Iran? Or what about Benjanmin Netanyahu funding Hamas. TBH I am giving Israel a pass in this entire thread, I mean we all see what they are now so no surprises when they bomb an elementary girls school, but the US is literally the bully in the playground right now, ergo you have my attention.
3. "Everyone who is attacking Israel is garbage that has also been attacking America." The US is on the far side of the planet. Do you not see the problem with your statement? The US is stepping on other peoples land and they don't like it. If you think that all the people on the far side of the world is garbage, then stay on your own side of the world. You killed all the Indian nations, no need to kill all the nations of the world, thanks. Also, last I checked Iran did not bomb the United States of America. It was the US that came to Iran in the 1950's, that destroyed Iran, that crippled Iran, that sanctioned Iran, that encouraged Iraq, then betrayed Iraq all while messing with Iran and funding terrorist groups.
4. I liked this next one "For 40 years. Enough is enough. Chant "death to America" enough times and you can't act surprised when we rain death on you." Sir, are you forgetting, this is the far side of the world, where the US stepped in, destroyed multiple countries and laid the foundations for this hate. Look at recent events - The US was negotiating with Iran and during the negotiations it attacked Iran. The US is the bad faith actor that Iran has had to deal with for 70+ years. Is Iran rabid? yes. but who injected it with rabies?
5. “Israel has not attacked Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Egypt.” In the last two years Israel has flattened Gaza, bulldozered the West Bank, carried out terrorist attacks in Lebanon, Bombed Syria and the Iranian Embassy there, Bombed Iran, Air strikes on Yemen and Bombed a Nato Ally - Qatar and lets not forget literally shredding the UN charter while presiding over a genocide and ethnic cleansing. It has not attacked Jordan, Saudi or Egypt? fantastic, lets give them a star of david medal.
in summary, Nothing you say is rooted in reality.
Also can we please leave Israel out of this, let Israel do what it wants with Iran and lets try to keep it about the US, cheers. On that note Donald Trump has bombed Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, Venzuela and Yemen, while staking claims on Greenland and threatening the world. So America #1, except I think we are going by different metrics.
Finally your debating tactics appear to be to dismiss facts, not accept points and attack the person you are debating with. Its like you feel your standing on a podium lecturing the masses. honestly you would win more debates if you could properly concede any of the above.
This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 3 2026 01:09pm