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Jan 17 2026 10:21am
When the adults are in the room, the kids are supposed to keep quiet.

Some1 forgot to teach you guys I guess :unsure:
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Jan 17 2026 12:11pm
When the adults are in the room, the kids are supposed to keep quiet.

Some1 forgot to teach you guys I guess :unsure:


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Jan 17 2026 01:05pm
You did put words into my mouth. I said 'it is more likely to believe...' and you then said that 'I believe...'.
'it is more likely to believe' ≠ 'I believe'.
So in fact, you misunderstood what I was saying.

Also, we've never ever seen the universe contracting, we've only seen it expanding (by that I mean galaxies moving father and farther from each other).

Btw, the rock example isn't very good, because technically, the rock itself will not become a tree, it's just that the tree seed itself will fall into that dust and grow into a tree by feeding of that dust. (so a seed will become the tree, not the rock)

It's like saying an antelope will become a lion because lion will eat it.


I mean, it's obvious that the universe (or universes) with infinite past creates a progress paradox.
If the past is infinite, than the present should never come.

Believing in the universe(s) with the infinite past requires a MUCH bigger leap of faith than believing in God.



Sigh... rocks dont transform overnight into trees like a liquid terminator T-1000
This is a process that can take thousands, millions and even billions of years. If you split a rock and look under a microscope it is composed of basic elements like carbon, oxygen, iron, aluminum, silica, magnesium etc. Those elements detach and form molecular bonds with other atoms that become other things like sand, iron, charcoal and minerals. We have mineral dust that you can buy and fertilize the ground with. The plants absorb some of those minerals into the roots and form branches, those trees will die and may become compost again, or sometimes they turn into fossils, some will turn into crude oil some into other chemicals. Things constantly change their state of being a rock will not be a rock forever it will be something else. This is basic chemistry you learn in high-school.
You must of graduated from somalian "lering center" to write what you wrote.

You say "we've never ever seen the universe contracting, we've only seen it expanding" yet have we ever seen real magic like a guy walking on water, talking snake, what this god being looks like or any magic that isnt an ilusionist trick that isnt from a video game or some movie?
I was merely pointing out the possibility of universe contracting its called the Big Crunch and is based on Einstein theory of relativity. If the universe can expand why couldn't it contract? Like a beating heart or the tide of the ocean in which the universe breathes.
Yet you find one more plausible than the other. Strange




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Sigh... rocks dont transform overnight into trees like a liquid terminator T-1000

Ok, and? Where did I claim they do? Are you again trying to put words into my mouth, like you did before?


This is a process that can take thousands, millions and even billions of years. If you split a rock and look under a microscope it is composed of basic elements like carbon, oxygen, iron, aluminum, silica, magnesium etc. Those elements detach and form molecular bonds with other atoms that become other things like sand, iron, charcoal and minerals. We have mineral dust that you can buy and fertilize the ground with. The plants absorb some of those minerals into the roots and form branches, those trees will die and may become compost again, or sometimes they turn into fossils, some will turn into crude oil some into other chemicals. Things constantly change their state of being a rock will not be a rock forever it will be something else. This is basic chemistry you learn in high-school.
You must of graduated from somalian "lering center" to write what you wrote.




What's the purpose of you writing all that stuff? I know all that. I simply stated that it is more correct to say that a seed turns into a tree, not the rock. Rock simply breaks down into what roots use as 'food'.
Again, quote the exact thing I said that is in contrast to what you wrote about rocks here? You can't. Yet you can sound condescending for no reason at all.

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You say "we've never ever seen the universe contracting, we've only seen it expanding" yet have we ever seen real magic like a guy walking on water, talking snake, what this god being looks like or any magic that isnt an ilusionist trick that isnt from a video game or some movie?
I was merely pointing out the possibility of universe contracting its called the Big Crunch and is based on Einstein theory of relativity. If the universe can expand why couldn't it contract? Like a beating heart or the tide of the ocean in which the universe breathes.
Yet you find one more plausible than the other. Strange


Even if you can somehow accept the 'infinite past' of the so called cyclic universe, and the fact that the universe will start contracting after a certain point, you would still run into a problem of entropy. Stars cannot form without star dust. According to science, universe will after a long period of time run out of stars due to lack of star dust (stars have their own life). It will be a dark universe. If we are to somehow assume that the universe will start contracting at that point (which isn't supported by science that it will, but let's play it out), it wouldn't magically 'get back' all the star dust that it had in its low entropy state (early universe), but it would remain stardustless. So, if it contracted, and started expanding again, it would expand into the same 'boring' universe without stars. And it wouldn't even take infinite cycles to reach that point, but only one cycle. That is what physicists struggle with regarding this model. The only way it could somehow get star dust / its low entropy state is if you assume God creates it =)

What I myself simply wrote is that it is easier to believe in a powerful God existing outside of time (which we like to refer to as 'forever' but that word choice probably isn't the best) before the creation of the universe, than to believe in a physical realm having an infinite past.


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Is this meme aimed at me? Cuz if so, that would be yet another time you accuse me of saying things I never said.

When did I write anything about Christianity or the Bible (other than simply mentioning the word in my initial question)?
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I have prayed for you.

I have prayed for your salvation, that the Lord would be gracious to you and grant you the gift of faith in Jesus Mighty Name. Amen. :)
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Jan 17 2026 02:22pm
Ok, and? Where did I claim they do? Are you again trying to put words into my mouth, like you did before?





What's the purpose of you writing all that stuff? I know all that. I simply stated that it is more correct to say that a seed turns into a tree, not the rock. Rock simply breaks down into what roots use as 'food'.
Again, quote the exact thing I said that is in contrast to what you wrote about rocks here? You can't. Yet you can sound condescending for no reason at all.



Even if you can somehow accept the 'infinite past' of the so called cyclic universe, and the fact that the universe will start contracting after a certain point, you would still run into a problem of entropy. Stars cannot form without star dust. According to science, universe will after a long period of time run out of stars due to lack of star dust (stars have their own life). It will be a dark universe. If we are to somehow assume that the universe will start contracting at that point (which isn't supported by science that it will, but let's play it out), it wouldn't magically 'get back' all the star dust that it had in its low entropy state (early universe), but it would remain stardustless. So, if it contracted, and started expanding again, it would expand into the same 'boring' universe without stars. And it wouldn't even take infinite cycles to reach that point, but only one cycle. That is what physicists struggle with regarding this model. The only way it could somehow get star dust / its low entropy state is if you assume God creates it =)

What I myself simply wrote is that it is easier to believe in a powerful God existing outside of time (which we like to refer to as 'forever' but that word choice probably isn't the best) before the creation of the universe, than to believe in a physical realm having an infinite past.


Then why did you bring up that "technically rock itself will not turn into a tree"? Well no shit sherlock did you assume I was talking about a rock transforming into a tree by itself with no help from the wind, rain, heat, water and other natural forces? What a weird thing to say unless you have skipped basic chemistry in school. I feel like if I dont spell it out you will just assume I am accusing you or misunderstanding what you say.

Let me ask you do you actually believe in god and jesus or are you sitting on a fence and just busting my balls about rocks and hypothetical plausability of forever god?

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Jan 17 2026 02:33pm
'atheists dont believe in mathmatics they believe in a wild azz throw of the dice and magical morphing monkeys




Mark 15 (KJV):
40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him;) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

Here we see that ministry doesn't include teaching alone, and ministry in the Body of Christ comes in many forms: Ephesians 4:11-16
King James Version
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

She's sharing God's Word online, which is evangelism, and it is a work of ministry. Now we know that evangelism and teaching are not the same roles. We also know now that ministry does not involve teaching alone.


Which part of "she is to remain quiet" did you not understand? Evangelism is still teaching gospel with the aim to persuade. She doesn't just copy paste bible verses she explains what they mean. You must be one of those make it up as you go along type of christians who uses the bible like a trail mix pick and choose what you like to hear.

I have prayed for you.

I have prayed for your salvation, that the Lord would be gracious to you and grant you the gift of faith in Jesus Mighty Name. Amen. :)




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1 Corinthians 1:25-31
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25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


I trust in God. I don't have to have a perfect understanding to trust in what God is doing or who He is using, and I will honor Him and respect Him faithfully.

If God wants to use a woman to work wonders and do mighty miracles and to minister and teach His Word,

I will support Him.

Also, it is grace that I chose to exit the conversation, and to leave the rest in God's Hands. God loves you, and is waiting for you. The fruit that I wanted to plant here is the fruit of faith in Jesus, and the love of God, showing His Majesty. I have done what I could do here, and now I am gracefully exiting.
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Then why did you bring up that "technically rock itself will not turn into a tree"? Well no shit sherlock did you assume I was talking about a rock transforming into a tree by itself with no help from the wind, rain, heat, water and other natural forces? What a weird thing to say unless you have skipped basic chemistry in school. I feel like if I dont spell it out you will just assume I am accusing you or misunderstanding what you say.

Let me ask you do you actually believe in god and jesus or are you sitting on a fence and just busting my balls about rocks and hypothetical plausability of forever god?


You brought up the rock, I just wrote that as a side note, then for some reason you decided to write a whole paragraph about it.

Now, more importantly:

Yes, I believe in God.

I believe that Jesus existed, and that he generally wanted good. But I don't believe everyone who doesn't believe in him will forever burn in hell.
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Jan 17 2026 03:40pm
1 Corinthians 1:25-31
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25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


I trust in God. I don't have to have a perfect understanding to trust in what God is doing or who He is using, and I will honor Him and respect Him faithfully.

If God wants to use a woman to work wonders and do mighty miracles and to minister and teach His Word,

I will support Him.

Also, it is grace that I chose to exit the conversation, and to leave the rest in God's Hands. God loves you, and is waiting for you. The fruit that I wanted to plant here is the fruit of faith in Jesus, and the love of God, showing His Majesty. I have done what I could do here, and now I am gracefully exiting.


No you are going directly against the teaching of the book. You are NOT following god, you are following some woman on Facebook. And quite frankly you have been told by other Christians the same thing.
At this point you are just larping as a pseudo Christian. I can't take you seriously or have an adult discussion, at the very least try to not embarrass your fellow Christians further. You are only making my case stronger.
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