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#261
May 9 2025 08:07am
Quote (Saurod @ May 9 2025 06:51am)
So its not a belief anymore?


do you think knowledge, reason, truth, math or logic are real things?

to disagree and say that "truth is illusory" is a contradiction in itself.

knowledge, reason, and universals like truth or logic cannot be purely grounded in the material or natural world. if everything is just physical processes, there would be no basis for these transcendental concepts to exist meaningfully. they require a transcendent, necessary foundation, because without it, they become arbitrary or contingent, lacking real consistency or universality. without something beyond the material world to ground them, we cannot have true knowledge or rationality.

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May 9 2025 08:26am
Quote (IceMage @ May 8 2025 11:56am)
That makes no sense.

God could not be imperfect. Imperfection implies lacking something - and God cannot lack anything. If God lacked something, He would not be God.


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Why did he create things? Why did he create life? Was he lonely, did he have unfulfilled desires? Doesn't sound perfect to me.

I guess for that matter, what is perfection, if God is perfect, did he set the standard for perfection?


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Is love not created via some desire for connection with another though? I don't think you can be perfect while having desire.

The whole thing I think is philosophical, and fairly moot.

But again, what perfection is, and who set the standard for what perfection is, really that determines what is perfection.

You would have to say god is not necessarily perfect, but has perfect reasoning for the decisions that god makes which results in perfect decision making.

Anyway, I wont devolve this into a debate I think has been done here a million times. To each their own for their beliefs.



this idea of true love is expressed in the Trinity, true love can only be expressed when shared. selfish love isn't real love.

in the Christian view, God didn't need to create humans to have true love in his being as true love is shared between the Father, Son, and the Holy spirit.

other conceptions of God actually lack this, as you are noticing SBD, and then cannot experience the fullness of love without first making creation - making that concept of God lacking true love

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May 9 2025 08:52am
Quote (TiStuff @ May 9 2025 04:07pm)
some of them believe 'evolution played a part.
you should get out more. the universe and living systems are weird. the crazy part is the progression of science just hasnt been a challenge to scripture. that if you ever find that out should give you chills.

yourself is proof of the supernatural and therefore prof of God. science has no explanation for system of arrival (life). no explanation means supernatural.
congrats your
su·per·nat·u·ral
[ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl]
adjective
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature:
"a supernatural being"


Science is not there to contradict scripture. Also you dont understand what supernatural means obviously.
No POSSIBLE explanation means supernatural. Its not like everything is supernatural until we can explain it. So in order to call something supernatural we would have to be able to RULE OUT a natural explanation, which is almost impossible to do.
Its for example not like black holes were considered to be supernatural before 2019. The human genome also wasnt considered to be supernatural before 2003 and so on.

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May 9 2025 08:59am
Quote (majorblood @ May 9 2025 04:07pm)
do you think knowledge, reason, truth, math or logic are real things?

to disagree and say that "truth is illusory" is a contradiction in itself.

knowledge, reason, and universals like truth or logic cannot be purely grounded in the material or natural world. if everything is just physical processes, there would be no basis for these transcendental concepts to exist meaningfully. they require a transcendent, necessary foundation, because without it, they become arbitrary or contingent, lacking real consistency or universality. without something beyond the material world to ground them, we cannot have true knowledge or rationality.


define real
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May 9 2025 09:22am
The new pope being from Chicago will have his papal vestments labeled with the Jumpman logo.

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May 9 2025 09:37am
Quote (majorblood @ May 9 2025 10:26am)
this idea of true love is expressed in the Trinity, true love can only be expressed when shared. selfish love isn't real love.

in the Christian view, God didn't need to create humans to have true love in his being as true love is shared between the Father, Son, and the Holy spirit.

other conceptions of God actually lack this, as you are noticing SBD, and then cannot experience the fullness of love without first making creation - making that concept of God lacking true love


Beautifully said. Well done.
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May 9 2025 09:42am
Quote (Saurod @ May 9 2025 07:59am)
define real

by 'real,' i mean something that exists objectively, independently of personal perception or belief, and is consistent across time and circumstances.
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May 9 2025 09:45am
Quote (majorblood @ May 9 2025 10:26am)
this idea of true love is expressed in the Trinity, true love can only be expressed when shared. selfish love isn't real love.

in the Christian view, God didn't need to create humans to have true love in his being as true love is shared between the Father, Son, and the Holy spirit.

other conceptions of God actually lack this, as you are noticing SBD, and then cannot experience the fullness of love without first making creation - making that concept of God lacking true love


Quote (IceMage @ May 9 2025 11:37am)
Beautifully said. Well done.


Honestly I question where this came from, lol, because of how accurate it is. Are you a Christian major? Because your post is a better summation of the Christian view than I would've come up with. And I'm a believing Catholic.

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May 9 2025 10:09am
Quote (majorblood @ May 9 2025 10:26am)
this idea of true love is expressed in the Trinity, true love can only be expressed when shared. selfish love isn't real love.

in the Christian view, God didn't need to create humans to have true love in his being as true love is shared between the Father, Son, and the Holy spirit.

other conceptions of God actually lack this, as you are noticing SBD, and then cannot experience the fullness of love without first making creation - making that concept of God lacking true love


This is beautiful prose.
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May 9 2025 10:09am
Quote (majorblood @ May 9 2025 05:42pm)
by 'real,' i mean something that exists objectively, independently of personal perception or belief, and is consistent across time and circumstances.


According to that definition, how is math not real?
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