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#261
Oct 8 2023 03:37pm
Quote (LL0RT @ Oct 8 2023 02:36pm)
but that person is only level 99 because they're a streamer being given the strongest items and support for quite a while now.


I am in agreement, the israeli civilians as a whole, did not commit the atrocities that their military is committing, aside from their unwavering support. At the end of the day, the leaders of Israel and the leaders of Hamas are not religious people trying to do the best for their people. They are bloodthirsty demons trying to exact revenge.

Imagine introducing OSLO, and during conversations, STILL invading mosques and gassing innocent muslims who were already kicked from their homes.

now imagine a couple of the men throwing rocks at the people invading their mosques, gassing their children and women, only to be shot dead.

Who is really in the wrong here?


Probably both, is my takeaway.
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#262
Oct 8 2023 03:38pm
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murdering innocent civilians at a concert doesn't stop that and will actually make it worse


agreed.

My only question is where is the actual outrage when these sorts of attacks are done to innocent people of palestine every other week?

if Israel responds by murdering innocent civilians(like they have), are they still correct and just for their reaction?

Are you only allowed to react to your innocent people being massacred if you are being funded by rich countries?

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#263
Oct 8 2023 03:40pm
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this is not just "fighting back" though. those are cowardly terrorist attacks targeting, murdering, and abducting civilians. no one should celebrate that.

yes, israel has also inflicted massive injustices and outright terror upon palestinians for decades, but two evils don't magically cancel each other out. it's always the weakest and most innocent that suffer the most, and it really doesn't matter which group they belong to, their suffering is never a good thing. so whether you can understand where they are coming from or not, they are still terrorists murdering innocent people.


agreed, but the terrorists live on both sides of the line.

one group of terrorists is being supported financially by the superpowers of the world, the other is scrounging by.
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#264
Oct 8 2023 03:43pm
Quote (LL0RT @ Oct 8 2023 02:38pm)
agreed.

My only question is where is the actual outrage when these sorts of attacks are done to innocent people of palestine every other week?

if Israel responds by murdering innocent civilians(like they have), are they still correct and just for their reaction?

Are you only allowed to react to your innocent people being massacred if you are being funded by rich countries?


there is a lot of outrage, who do you want the outrage from specifically?

no Israel isn't just in murdering civilians

I don't support Israel or Palestine. I don't want my tax dollars funding either one
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Oct 8 2023 03:44pm
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Probably both, is my takeaway.


that's kind of an insane take.

somebody is defending their families from being gassed, shot, physically attacked.. and they're in the wrong for trying to defend them?


so if the same thing was happening to your wife and kids(hopefully this never happens) you would just stand by and watch?
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#266
Oct 8 2023 03:45pm
Still don't understand the utter failure of Israeli defense forces and moreso their intelligence agency being blindsided by this.


Support to Israeli to the tune of $3.8 Billion in annual US aid to Israeli is infective at thwarting basic moped mounted and glider Hamas goons? Massive US and Israeli spying apparatus can't detect what is the largest engagement in years with some advanced notice?

WTF they doing with the money?

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Oct 8 2023 03:46pm
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that's kind of an insane take.

somebody is defending their families from being gassed, shot, physically attacked.. and they're in the wrong for trying to defend them?


so if the same thing was happening to your wife and kids(hopefully this never happens) you would just stand by and watch?

I don't think handcuffs was referring to the throwing rocks vs shooting situation for his reply btw
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Oct 8 2023 03:46pm
Quote (majorblood @ Oct 8 2023 02:43pm)
there is a lot of outrage, who do you want the outrage from specifically?

no Israel isn't just in murdering civilians

I don't support Israel or Palestine. I don't want my tax dollars funding either one


the outrage is currently people being mad at a small terrorist organization, instead of the superpower that literally created that terrorist organization.

I dont want my tax dollars funding either one either, i would rather directly support palestine by sending care packages. Food, water, clothes.

but israel intercepts those too, they are determined to starve these people out, and if that doesnt work they beat them, shoot them, gas them.
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Oct 8 2023 03:48pm
Quote (majorblood @ Oct 8 2023 02:46pm)
I don't think handcuffs was referring to the throwing rocks vs shooting situation for his reply btw


it's possible yeah. He seems very leveled. I am not currently, as my wife is hurting from this. The families we were in contact with have disappeared over the last month, presumably dead.

I am definitely in a bad place right now because of this.
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#270
Oct 8 2023 03:49pm
Quote (LL0RT @ Oct 8 2023 02:44pm)
that's kind of an insane take.

somebody is defending their families from being gassed, shot, physically attacked.. and they're in the wrong for trying to defend them?


so if the same thing was happening to your wife and kids(hopefully this never happens) you would just stand by and watch?


Who are the people who gassed, shot, and physically attacked their families?

Who are the people who were at a music festival the other day?

If there is a significant overlap in your answer to those questions, I will find your position more compelling. Short of that...
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