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Also this is a side point, but where has it been proven that Chinese hackers accessed Hillary's email server? You state this as a fact and all I can find are statements from the FBI and Senate investigators debunking it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/hillary-clintons-email-was-probably-hacked-experts-say.htmlQuote (IceMage @ Jun 12 2023 04:34am)
Pretty much nobody made that argument... because it's a ridiculous one and Hillary didn't have a personality cult behind her. Hillary wasn't prosecuted because the facts weren't sufficient to bring a prosecution. That's why Comey declined to prosecute, and it's why numerous AGs under Trump never brought a prosecution. It's not a secret why... Comey gave us his reasoning. You can disagree with his reasoning... and say that he set a higher standard than the language of the statute, or that even based on his standard the case should've been brought, but highly partisan AGs like Sessions and Barr apparently agreed with Comey.
There was nobody in washington who
wanted to go after Hillary. Not Comey who had already been trying to rig the election against Trump, not self-interested Sessions, not ideal-minded Barr, but not the victorious Trump either. She was powerless and nobody had reason to try to drag our country into a mudfight over her. I don't know why you resist that concept so much, especially when it applies to Barr who wrote an entire book about how he abhors political prosecutions.
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Also, your position that it's "no big deal" when Trump and his people violate laws isn't relevant. We get it, you don't care, and you can't be reasoned out of that position, but in a courtroom what matters is the facts and the law, and clearly laws were violated here.
Okay, explain to me why it should be a big deal. Who is the victim, what were the stakes? What risk did America suffer that is somehow so much greater than the precedent I provided you, the Andrew Mays example where perhaps 800+ sailors lost their lives due to his breach. Where he wasn't prosecuted or even censured, but Trump deserves hundreds of years in prison. I want to know why I should care so much if Donald Trump actually did show a classified document to some yahoo PAC head, revealing irrelevant information to some nobody. The rumor is that Trump whipped out some document Milley gave him to show how wrong Milley was about something and complain about his incompetency. For some reason I feel our national security is more threatened by Mark Milley in that scenario
The difference between you and me is that I actually believe in that ideal of a common civility in our politics that you pretend to. And that isn't served by having weaponized secret police trying to get up the ass of every opposition party politician who jaywalks on an empty street. We've had this theme going for how many years now? The Russiaburger, Muellerburger, Koi Fish Burger?
This post was edited by Goomshill on Jun 12 2023 04:25am