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Jun 12 2023 01:35am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 11 2023 10:22pm)
You'll have to tell me how thats any different from saying Hillary shouldn't be prosecuted for the good of the nation. Because I can tell you a way the two cases are the same: Neither concerned a serious allegation of corruption or malice. Hillary used a personal email server, boohoo, she wasn't selling state secrets. Trump bragged to some PAC head? At least in Trumps case, a victimless crime that affects no one. Thats not a mafia don arranging hits, that's jaywalking on an empty street.

You know our nation had a pretty good example of a politician who recklessly leaked military secrets for a dumb reason. Andrew May is estimated to have cost 10 submarines and 800 lives when he bragged to the press that the japs set their depth charges too shallow. And the imperial navy corrected their error. Not a victimless crime, more like jaywalking on the F1 track. How many dozens of felonies did he get charged with? How many hundreds of years in prison? Did it even end his career? Nope. He got 9 months in prison though: for an actual and unrelated malicious crime of bribery and war profiteering. Like a mafia don. See how that works?

This is the Biden administrations biggest gambit yet, trying to lock up his election opponent on charges over some trivial bullshit. Nevermind all the legal theory flaws and wild leaps and missing evidence (which documents are supposed to be in that clip of him saying 'its classified'? Is there a single witness to claim he showed anyone? nope?)- What matters is that this is just an accusation of Trump being dumb not corrupt, and everyone who voted for him already knew he is a moron, just, their moron


lol chit :)

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 11 2023 10:57pm)
Yep, I've outlined in this thread how there was clear and unambiguous malice. The laws were broken intentionally at every stage.

You're doing that thing stupid people do, where they mistake length for quality.


orange REEEEEEEEE

Quote (Sioux @ Jun 11 2023 11:13pm)
lmao. They could train an AI on the entirety of the right-wing shit-sphere and still not be able to pump out the distilled idiocy you concoct over your microwave dinner.


which side is all jabbed up with the trump juice?
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Jun 12 2023 01:42am
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 11 2023 11:15pm)
What malice?
If we're being rational, we have to allow that Trump probably took things home to read/study. He's NOT a politician and he was elected to a viper nest.
I'd be reading/studying too. LOL

Illegal? That's kind of iffy. Technically, yes, it was illegal. But just about every politician does it.
It seems like you only want to "draw the line" where Trump is concerned, and let everyone else get away with it.

That's pretty disingenuous.


its not just any ol line .. its the orange line.....

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 11 2023 11:30pm)
Nah, I think they should take it more seriously when anybody does it. You think I give a shit if they lock up Hillary?

But it's pretty clear the consistent policy is as long as the other party isn't actively impeding the recovery of the documents while actively sharing then that they won't be charged. Trump is somehow so stupid he couldn't just let them get the boxes. Instead he actively hid them as though they don't know what documents are missing


because the honest FBI sez so. aint no sell out like orange sell out

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 11 2023 11:45pm)
Interesting that you think that. Doesn't describe me at all.

Always scored high 90th percentile on standardized tests, have an advanced degree and work in a highly technical field.

Same for Sioux just so you know.

So the fact that you think that describes us should really give you pause in how you judge people. You are clearly extremely bad at it.


reminds me of this. birds of a feather really flock together?
Resurfaced Video is DEVASTATING to Joe Biden's Campaign, Exposes How Much of a LIAR He Is


This post was edited by TiStuff on Jun 12 2023 01:56am
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Jun 12 2023 01:53am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 11 2023 11:49pm)
Yeah, you already said you reject the concept of evidence so why would I expect evidence to persuade you.


you saying chit isnt evidence
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Jun 12 2023 02:04am
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 11 2023 11:55pm)
From Trump's point of view (after being falsely accused, spied on, etc), for about 6 years... I hide stuff too.
This whole classified docs thing is a case of the left taking things seriously out of context.

It's like you shoot a gun at someone, then arrest him for ducking.


flimsy azz chit shows how desperate they are and how cheaply TDS will sell out.

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Jun 12 2023 03:34am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 12 2023 01:22am)
You'll have to tell me how thats any different from saying Hillary shouldn't be prosecuted for the good of the nation. Because I can tell you a way the two cases are the same: Neither concerned a serious allegation of corruption or malice. Hillary used a personal email server, boohoo, she wasn't selling state secrets. Trump bragged to some PAC head? At least in Trumps case, a victimless crime that affects no one. Thats not a mafia don arranging hits, that's jaywalking on an empty street.


Pretty much nobody made that argument... because it's a ridiculous one and Hillary didn't have a personality cult behind her. Hillary wasn't prosecuted because the facts weren't sufficient to bring a prosecution. That's why Comey declined to prosecute, and it's why numerous AGs under Trump never brought a prosecution. It's not a secret why... Comey gave us his reasoning. You can disagree with his reasoning... and say that he set a higher standard than the language of the statute, or that even based on his standard the case should've been brought, but highly partisan AGs like Sessions and Barr apparently agreed with Comey.

Cultists aren't able to make these distinctions though. They wrongly believed in 2016 that Hillary was simply let off, they believe she obstructed when there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove that, and now that debunked position is being used to equate her situation with Trump's. They aren't the same, and that's why Trump is being treated differently. It's not that complicated.

Also, your position that it's "no big deal" when Trump and his people violate laws isn't relevant. We get it, you don't care, and you can't be reasoned out of that position, but in a courtroom what matters is the facts and the law, and clearly laws were violated here.

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Jun 12 2023 03:44am
Also this is a side point, but where has it been proven that Chinese hackers accessed Hillary's email server? You state this as a fact and all I can find are statements from the FBI and Senate investigators debunking it.
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Quote (IceMage @ Jun 12 2023 02:34am)
Pretty much nobody made that argument... because it's a ridiculous one and Hillary didn't have a personality cult behind her. Hillary wasn't prosecuted because the facts weren't sufficient to bring a prosecution. That's why Comey declined to prosecute, and it's why numerous AGs under Trump never brought a prosecution. It's not a secret why... Comey gave us his reasoning. You can disagree with his reasoning... and say that he set a higher standard than the language of the statute, or that even based on his standard the case should've been brought, but highly partisan AGs like Sessions and Barr apparently agreed with Comey.

Cultists aren't able to make these distinctions though. They wrongly believed in 2016 that Hillary was simply let off, they believe she obstructed when there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove that, and now that debunked position is being used to equate her situation with Trump's. They aren't the same, and that's why Trump is being treated differently. It's not that complicated.

Also, your position that it's "no big deal" when Trump and his people violate laws isn't relevant. We get it, you don't care, and you can't be reasoned out of that position, but in a courtroom what matters is the facts and the law, and clearly laws were violated here.


russia russia russia theres no bias...............GTFO

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Cultists aren't able to make these distinctions though.

comedy gold


here is some shoes that were actually marketed to lefties.........i wonder why lefties?


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Jun 12 2023 04:24am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 12 2023 04:44am)
Also this is a side point, but where has it been proven that Chinese hackers accessed Hillary's email server? You state this as a fact and all I can find are statements from the FBI and Senate investigators debunking it.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/hillary-clintons-email-was-probably-hacked-experts-say.html


Quote (IceMage @ Jun 12 2023 04:34am)
Pretty much nobody made that argument... because it's a ridiculous one and Hillary didn't have a personality cult behind her. Hillary wasn't prosecuted because the facts weren't sufficient to bring a prosecution. That's why Comey declined to prosecute, and it's why numerous AGs under Trump never brought a prosecution. It's not a secret why... Comey gave us his reasoning. You can disagree with his reasoning... and say that he set a higher standard than the language of the statute, or that even based on his standard the case should've been brought, but highly partisan AGs like Sessions and Barr apparently agreed with Comey.


There was nobody in washington who wanted to go after Hillary. Not Comey who had already been trying to rig the election against Trump, not self-interested Sessions, not ideal-minded Barr, but not the victorious Trump either. She was powerless and nobody had reason to try to drag our country into a mudfight over her. I don't know why you resist that concept so much, especially when it applies to Barr who wrote an entire book about how he abhors political prosecutions.

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Also, your position that it's "no big deal" when Trump and his people violate laws isn't relevant. We get it, you don't care, and you can't be reasoned out of that position, but in a courtroom what matters is the facts and the law, and clearly laws were violated here.


Okay, explain to me why it should be a big deal. Who is the victim, what were the stakes? What risk did America suffer that is somehow so much greater than the precedent I provided you, the Andrew Mays example where perhaps 800+ sailors lost their lives due to his breach. Where he wasn't prosecuted or even censured, but Trump deserves hundreds of years in prison. I want to know why I should care so much if Donald Trump actually did show a classified document to some yahoo PAC head, revealing irrelevant information to some nobody. The rumor is that Trump whipped out some document Milley gave him to show how wrong Milley was about something and complain about his incompetency. For some reason I feel our national security is more threatened by Mark Milley in that scenario

The difference between you and me is that I actually believe in that ideal of a common civility in our politics that you pretend to. And that isn't served by having weaponized secret police trying to get up the ass of every opposition party politician who jaywalks on an empty street. We've had this theme going for how many years now? The Russiaburger, Muellerburger, Koi Fish Burger?

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Jun 12 2023 05:05am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 11 2023 08:40pm)
What's great about the cult is that even after Trump is recorded on tape admitting he has documents that are still classified, and that as an ex-president he has no declassification power, they still run with his defense from months ago.


Jack Smith would NEVER tamper or stretch the rules to fit his case.. no never.

Side note to get a grand jury to indict is the lowest standard
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Jun 12 2023 05:07am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 11 2023 08:23pm)
My understanding is that via The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954, not even the President can declassify information related to nuclear security.


Those rules would apply to people who aren’t head of the executive branch. The constitution is the highest law in the land it is very clear on the powers of the president.
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