Quote (Santara @ Mar 28 2023 11:23am)

We have a problem with sensationalism. CNN birthed the 24/7 news cycle that makes these monsters famous. We would do well to let them die anonymous, ignominious deaths. Make their efforts at achieving fame futile. Like is noted here:

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 28 2023 08:42am)

the handgun vs rifle debate in the context of school shootings is like asking if a hot machete or hot katana go through butter more efficiently.

if we want to stop school shootings without butchering 2a, we need to filet 1a, and pass a law making it illegal to publish the face, name, manifesto, message, or social media posts of any shooter post shooting.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 28 2023 01:22pm)

This is a weird level of autism for you. We both know language is emotionally loaded and not based on utilitarian rules of use.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 28 2023 01:28pm)

I don't think they'll change their mind unless they see it as harmful themselves, "violence" aside; I agree. What I'm saying though is that people 1) Do not think they're causing any harm, and 2) Do not see the extent of the harm that is being done. One can formulate all kinds of strategic ways to decimate a person, community, or country without doing anything directly physical.

To poison the water system of a town you dislike is incredibly violent. It is also incredibly violent if you, as part of your role at the county water board, willfully allow the discovery of poisoned water to persist without recourse or notification because you are happy to see the affected town get sick and die. There's no physical activity in the second example, and it is a form of violence by inaction imo.



Time will tell, to be sure. I don't think it unreasonable that trans people have this concern or thought though.

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 28 2023 11:35am)

i have no issues with presenting people with the harm their nonviolent words and actions cause. in fact i fully support it.

when people cheaply say "what you said is violent" that is in fact IMO a way to avoid doing the work. why connect the dots when you can elude to a marginalized group that has a documented history of facing physical violence and just say "see, u did this". its hacktivism.

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Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 28 2023 03:28pm)

Time will tell, to be sure. I don't think it unreasonable that trans people have this concern or thought though.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Mar 28 2023 11:45am)

No but the language used to discuss this and the reporting on it has been quite unreasonable and does more to hurt transgender people than help them in the long run IMO. Reminds me of the boy who cried wolf, and if you will remember, that ended poorly for the boy.

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Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 28 2023 01:43pm)

It can be difficult to speak about an individual's behavior without also invoking the violent system and history that that behavior, or even simple viewpoint, stems from.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 28 2023 03:48pm)

I think it's because we've seen where this has gone before. Invoking "concern of children" has been a primary angle taken by anti-LGBTQ+ people since, well, forever. It starts off by being about "drag" and how someone who is "in drag" shouldn't be around children. What do we do then with the transgender K-12 teachers?