I've heard good things about it. I don't necessarily know if you will get much out of it. It's mostly an intro for people who never played Civilization, in the sense that it doesn't matter what civilization you start as if your spawn point is garbage.

1. use google

2. Trying to redefine capitalism as needing 'protection from the state' and saying capitalism without a state isn't capitalism to try to prove that capitalism can only happen with a state isn't going to cut it.



No. People own things all around the world with varying abilities to keep them safe from robbers. people steal things all the time.

Nor is a state is the only way to defend your property. You have disproved your own position by saying 'such as the state' implying there are alternate entities to protect property.
Whether its gun ownership, a baseball bat, locked doors, private security, defense organizations, etc.
https://mises.org/library/private-production-defense

'Collective agreement' is not required, nor is collective agreement a government. Nor does inability to perfectly defend your property mean capitalism is impossible.
People can voluntarily agree to peacefully coexist. I know you guys are leftists, but thats a real thing that can happen. mind blown, i know.

Think about this for a little bit.
If you are in a community with no government is the possibility for private ownership and trade for profit impossible?
Or would that be very likely as people see the benefit of mutually beneficial trade? Did we not see private ownership and trade markets pop up all around the world throughout history?
Is that 'not real capitalism'?
Is there something magically preventing private ownership and trade? Or are you trying to impose your own definitions on capitalism to pretend its impossible without a state?

Rather than making capitalism possible, governments often infringe on private ownership and trade. Peaceful voluntary exchange does not need a coercive government interfering in order to be possible.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jan 14 2019 03:07am

Based

If you aren't willing to define the time periods you are using as evidence then there's really nowhere we can go. You aren't providing evidence that I can actually look up and check, so whatever.

People can collectively agree to peacefully co-exist, but pretty much all of human history shows that tends to break down very quickly. That's why townships exist, why tribal leaders exist, etc. etc. To maintain the wellbeing of the collective.

When you rely on only your own sticks to defend your stuff, and somebody else comes along with a bigger stick and wants your stuff, well then that means your stuff is now his. No amount of saying "that's my property" is going to stop that from happening. This is the reality in absence of a greater collective defense of property. You can say "that's not a state" but when you start setting up mechanisms of writing a collective agreement to protect property (a legislature), an enforcement of that agreement (an executive) and mechanisms of determining who stole what or broke what agreement (a judiciary) it starts to look an awful lot like a state, and as greater numbers of people assemble that agreement gets more complex, eventually forming governments that cover millions such as what we see today.

I say "such as the state" because the definition of a state is arbitrary, so I wanted to include these smaller local governments. Still, its a distinction without a difference to what we are talking about.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 14 2019 10:30am

Ow btw: Celtic capitalism is a part of libertarian fan fiction.

https://whistlinginthewind.org/2015/04/02/ancient-ireland-was-not-libertarian/

there you go google. well done

an interesting take, at least

The irony of you always posting about intelligence and facts is almost too much to bear