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Nov 28 2018 01:51pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 28 2018 01:44pm)
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the people pushing pizza gate are like 50 trolls on the internet. a mainstream media website is supposed to have higher standards, pretty big false equivalency.


do you realize that about 75% of the time you try and use "false equivilency" against me it fails? if not maybe start taking notes? i hear that helps with terrible memory.

i didn't draw an equivalency. as i almost never do. in fact my post clearly says: "but people still ignorantly claim anon sourcing is inherently an issue" inherent being the most important word in there, and negating any critiques of "equivalency".

as to the pizza gate, if 4chan format wasn't enough for you to pick up on the fact that it was a joke i dont know what else i can do for you.
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Nov 28 2018 01:54pm
This quote summarizes Trump's approach to most things pretty well.

"I'm not happy with the Fed. They're making a mistake because I have a gut, and my gut tells me more sometimes than anybody else's brain can ever tell me."

Conservatives like Ben Shapiro always quip that "facts don't care about your feelings" but we've actually moved to this bizarre, post-fact place in America where feelings actually do matter more than the facts in a lot of our politics.

You can show a Conservative the dwindling number of illegal immigrants in this country since 2009, but their feelings tell them that there's too many brown people. Similar deal with climate change.

Meanwhile on the left, the rhetoric is largely feel-driven since fairness and opportunity are two of the biggest principles that appeal to Liberals.

This isn't to draw a false equivalence, however. I do think the Left is currently more rooted in fact than the Right. When scaled for importance, the Left gain a huge advantage in the topic of climate change, even if some of the other touchy-feely infactual stuff may hurt them.
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Nov 28 2018 01:58pm
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You can show a Conservative the dwindling number of illegal immigrants in this country since 2009, but their feelings tell them that there's too many brown people. Similar deal with climate change.


Yale Study Finds Twice as Many Undocumented Immigrants as Previous Estimates

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates
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Nov 28 2018 03:41pm
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do you realize that about 75% of the time you try and use "false equivilency" against me it fails? if not maybe start taking notes? i hear that helps with terrible memory.

i didn't draw an equivalency. as i almost never do. in fact my post clearly says: "but people still ignorantlyclaim anon sourcing is inherently an issue" inherent being the most important word in there, and negating any critiques of "equivalency".

as to the pizza gate, if 4chan format wasn't enough for you to pick up on the fact that it was a joke i dont know what else i can do for you.


Of course its inherently an issue.
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Nov 28 2018 03:58pm
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Of course its inherently an issue.


So wikileaks is evil
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Nov 28 2018 04:20pm
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while all of this is true to an extent Trump himself made it his mission to demonize the media. he sowed distrust of the media to exploit a certain electorate that already distrusted MSM. frankly, if you feel sorry someone who kicked a bees nest you're a sucker. is coverage of trump biased? yes. should that be pointed out when the bias rises to levels of factual inaccuracy? yes. is it more trump's fault than the media's? of course.

no one feels sorry for the kid who went to that indian island and got shot full of arrows, and yet we hear about Trump the victim constantly. its pitiful that in the battle against modern news this wrinkled orange blob is the best champion that has emerged.


Disagree with the bolded. I recall him being the butt of all jokes as soon as he announced starting with his escalator descent & hiring of paid attendees to his announcement. There was no animosity towards him before that from the mainstream media. He was largely viewed as a playboy rich person that had it all and only came on the political radar when he started talking shit about Obama and that only as a side note. So to say he initiated the current conflict between him and the MSM is kind of nonsensical. It makes a lot more sense that the mainstream media who already had a favorable political slant towards Hillary joined the fray and essentially served as an extension of the campaign for the anointed candidate.

He's no hero, but the coverage he gets is one of the most obvious examples of how the media today cares more about controlling perspective rather than reporting. I've long held the view that we in the US don't actually live in a real democracy, neither does much of the western world and the media is complicit. We're given an illusion of choice on inconsequential/peripheral issues yet some of the bigger issues or questions have already been decided and since neither party brings them up, nor does the media then it's like the issue doesn't even exist. It's a point I always come back to, but when is the last time you heard TV pundits talk about why we should cut the military budget? When has the DOD ever said some country is not a threat so we should cut back on spending? I mean we see the fallout and consequences of Lybia, we see the consequences of Iraq and the trillions of dollars pricetags yet no one in the media says anything. I know it's a tangent I went on but it's relevant. It's the medias job to ask these tough questions and bring them to the forefront. I want real issues tackled not to hear daily propaganda on why orange man bad. It's not Trump's fault that the media cares more about his tweets or how many vacations a year he takes versus real questions.

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Nov 28 2018 05:48pm
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Disagree with the bolded. I recall him being the butt of all jokes as soon as he announced starting with his escalator descent & hiring of paid attendees to his announcement. There was no animosity towards him before that from the mainstream media. He was largely viewed as a playboy rich person that had it all and only came on the political radar when he started talking shit about Obama and that only as a side note. So to say he initiated the current conflict between him and the MSM is kind of nonsensical. It makes a lot more sense that the mainstream media who already had a favorable political slant towards Hillary joined the fray and essentially served as an extension of the campaign for the anointed candidate.

He's no hero, but the coverage he gets is one of the most obvious examples of how the media today cares more about controlling perspective rather than reporting. I've long held the view that we in the US don't actually live in a real democracy, neither does much of the western world and the media is complicit. We're given an illusion of choice on inconsequential/peripheral issues yet some of the bigger issues or questions have already been decided and since neither party brings them up, nor does the media then it's like the issue doesn't even exist. It's a point I always come back to, but when is the last time you heard TV pundits talk about why we should cut the military budget? When has the DOD ever said some country is not a threat so we should cut back on spending? I mean we see the fallout and consequences of Lybia, we see the consequences of Iraq and the trillions of dollars pricetags yet no one in the media says anything. I know it's a tangent I went on but it's relevant. It's the medias job to ask these tough questions and bring them to the forefront. I want real issues tackled not to hear daily propaganda on why orange man bad. It's not Trump's fault that the media cares more about his tweets or how many vacations a year he takes versus real questions.


i just dont give any credence to the "msm wants to control perspective" Orwellian mindthought tinfoil.

they want max profits, trump is good for profits. that's it. sure there are likely people who are soros plants in large organizations trying to pull strings, but by and large it's just profits. its the reason the "look how they covered Obama" whataboutism rings so dully, it wasn't good for profits to shine a light on Obama and watch his every move and report on each invididual transgression as if it's unprecedented. it's trump (except for fox news that flourished doing just that, cough cough tan suit), and its his fault for living a deeply contentious life and playing a character of a bully and jerk in public life. im not gonna act like his persona exactly matches who he is, he played it up for years. but it also leaves the media with no choice but to go as hard at him as they can. msm doesnt choose between morals and profit, and they shouldnt. im tired of hearing people act like media lost its integrity, integrity lost its profitability. thats it, its that simple.

Trump came out on stage with the speech he chose specifically to stir the pot. he knew his speech about mexicans would give him free press, and he knew they'd take it wrong. he knew that he had a better chance at staying around by blowing shit up. he made those choices, knowing what the media response would be. knowing they'd cover it for profits. how on earth anyone could think otherwise from a guy who has been ratings obsessed as a profession for 20 years is beyond me. trump asked for it, specifically, and its that simple. i frankly dont understand how the right has a hard time admitting this, if anything it's admirable. he exploited the media for free press with divisive language he knew he could walk back in a way that would expose his anti media message. the media is equally ridiculous when they act like profit isn't their main motive, and the arbiter of truth act is of course just a lie.

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God damn it I came here for memes and shit posts and all i find are fucking novels.

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God damn it I came here for memes and shit posts and all i find are ducking novels.


go to gc then
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go to gc then



Found love line, actually...
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