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Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 12 2019 10:24pm)
Why are borders anti libertarian? Libertarians believe in private property & ability to protect that property. Where’s the dilemma here?


Some libertarians believe that it violates the NAP to restrict the non-violent movement of people between any two places. Basically stopping somebody from being able to go somewhere they otherwise would be able to go without harming anybody requires violence, and therefore violates the NAP. Borders being a country's border, not the border to your personal property. Isn't really your property if you can't stop others from being on it or using it.

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This would only make sense if all of the land on the border was owned by private citizens and they decided to put up fences. The government is the issue here.


Gov't is a representation of all private citizens in a nation. Certain sections of a sovereign country may be public to its citizens but it's not public to everyone in the world. I don't get to just waltz in any country I want just because it's public land for their citizens.

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Some libertarians believe that it violates the NAP to restrict the non-violent movement of people between any two places. Basically stopping somebody from being able to go somewhere they otherwise would be able to go without harming anybody requires violence, and therefore violates the NAP. Borders being a country's border, not the border to your personal property. Isn't really your property if you can't stop others from being on it or using it.


I'm not a libertarian and don't know if your take is accurate but personally, I think at times some of the things they are most worried about are protected by gov't mechanisms in place. I know a lot of libertarians are not fans of police but police seem to be the best way to protect private property on the aggregate. Strong laws protect what I earn or from someone breaking into my house not something else.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 12 2019 09:32pm)
Gov't is a representation of all private citizens in a nation. Certain sections of a sovereign country may be public to its citizens but it's not public to everyone in the world. I don't get to just waltz in any country I want just because it's public land for their citizens.


cambo is an ancap he wouldn't want government representation ideally
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cambo is an ancap he wouldn't want government representation ideally


Has he finally given up the label and joined the ancaps? I mean he's basically been there for like three years now, with the exception of choking on The Orange One's member.
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what is an ancap?
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what is an ancap?


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what is an ancap?



It goes on your head
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 12 2019 09:41pm)
Has he finally given up the label and joined the ancaps? I mean he's basically been there for like three years now, with the exception of choking on The Orange One's member.


I could be wrong but I am pretty sure cambo has been an ancap for a long time now.
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what is an ancap?



A mythology. Capitalism relies on the state to protect itself.
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