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Nov 28 2018 09:55am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 28 2018 11:23am)
They dont cover him. If they covered him they would be doing great. They have a hissy fit on air and say the world is ending (6th time in two years?)


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Cult - "Trump is acting like a loon but hasn't nuked anyone yet... why is the media expressing concern?"


Its an important distinction. If the media didn't overreact, they would be winning this culture war. Trump's approval rating isn't great, but its higher than the media at all times.
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Nov 28 2018 10:16am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 28 2018 05:31pm)
Cult - "Trump is acting like a loon but hasn't nuked anyone yet... why is the media expressing concern?"


So far threats to nuke people, American own citizens infact, come only from Rep. E. Swalwell (D)

also it became known Obama has used chemical weapons for many many times, its a shame media didnt cover that

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Nov 28 2018 10:26am
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Nov 28 2018 11:16am)
So far threats to nuke people, American own citizens infact, come only from Rep. E. Swalwell (D)

also it became known Obama has used chemical weapons for many many times, its a shame media didnt cover that

https://i.imgur.com/mzkZ5XW.jpg


That has nothing to do with what I posted.
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Nov 28 2018 10:29am
Quote (HeLiCaL @ 28 Nov 2018 17:16)
So far threats to nuke people, American own citizens infact, come only from Rep. E. Swalwell (D)
also it became known Obama has used chemical weapons for many many times, its a shame media didnt cover that
https://i.imgur.com/mzkZ5XW.jpg


Proof obama gassed children or stay low.
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Nov 28 2018 11:52am
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/418098-more-questions-than-answers-in-too-many-trump-stories

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Something strange has happened to the news. We’ve largely suspended our normal ethical practices and standards when it comes to covering President Trump.

Maybe it doesn’t seem strange to the usual crowd: the Washington and New York-centric media, political figures, insiders and pundits. They act like it’s not happening. Or maybe they don’t even notice. But to a lot of fair-minded, ordinary Americans, it’s just odd.

A good example is the recent rash of stories about President Trump reportedly wanting the Justice Department to investigate two of his political nemeses: former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and former FBI Director James Comey.

I’m not as smart as a lot of people, but my initial reaction was a big “So what?” First, it’s unsurprising that Trump would have wanted his Justice Department to investigate two officials widely accused of wrongdoing. Second, even Trump’s critics acknowledge his right to ask for such investigations. Third, the investigations were never ordered.

Yet the story, reported by The New York Times — and therefore guaranteed to be copied by news outlets internationally — portrayed the big “news” as if it were proof of politically motivated interference of the worst kind.

I’m not arguing that the allegations, if deemed credible, aren’t worthy of examination. And Trump’s critics have every right to have their views heard on the national news. But the fairness that once was routinely expected in news stories is notably absent.

Here are four ways the story falls short of upholding routine journalistic standards.

The story relies on anonymous sources. Risky to begin with, creating international headlines on the basis of nameless, faceless people becomes even more perilous considering how many leaked stories by anonymous sources have proven factually incorrect.
The story lacks appropriate context. When the only way to tell a story is through anonymous sources, their self-interests and identities must be described with as much specificity as possible so viewers can weight the allegations. Do the sources oppose Trump? Do they work in the White House? Were they fired? Disgruntled? Could they be trying to cover up their own wrongdoing? How are they in position to know what they claim to know? None of this information was provided. Likewise, the story failed to include the context that the main subject, former White House counsel Donald McGahn, had repeatedly clashed with Trump and was ultimately forced out of his job.
There are numerous instances of missing attribution. If a reporter didn’t personally witness an event, he generally should not present allegations or facts as if true and verified; they should be attributed to their source. Here’s one paragraph full of examples of missing attribution:
“The lawyer, Donald F. McGahn II, rebuffed the president, saying that he had no authority to order a prosecution. Mr. McGahn said that while he could request an investigation, that too could prompt accusations of abuse of power. To underscore his point, Mr. McGahn had White House lawyers write a memo for Mr. Trump warning that if he asked law enforcement to investigate his rivals, he could face a range of consequences, including possible impeachment.”

In a news piece, the reporters’ opinions shouldn’t be reported as facts. But in this story, after accepting one-sided, leaked information as true, the writers add their own opinions. Here’s one example:
“The encounter was one of the most blatant examples yet of how Mr. Trump views the typically independent Justice Department as a tool to be wielded against his political enemies.”

Unasked and unanswered questions

It seems to me, smart and fair reporting wouldn’t only report the allegations against Trump, but also would examine competing questions.

Are all the figures who have warded off Trump from being involved in his own Justice Department really trying to keep him away so that he doesn’t uncover facts related to allegedly politically motivated acts, surveillance and wrongdoing by some officials over the years?

Is the strategy to accuse Trump of “obstruction” every time he interacts with his Justice Department part of the “insurance policy” discussed by multiple Trump opponents — including two FBI officials and a Comey associate?

Does the press risk being used as a propaganda tool by reporting a series of what appear to be orchestrated, anonymous leaks of unverified, derogatory information against Trump?

In the end, journalistic standards aren’t designed for us to follow only when we write stories about people we like. They’re to hold us to a level of professionalism when we’re reporting on political figures we don’t like — even ones we may hate or who attack us personally. If we can’t maintain our standards under the most challenging circumstances, then we shouldn’t pretend to have them to begin with.
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Nov 28 2018 11:57am
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Nov 28 2018 09:16am)
So far threats to nuke people, American own citizens infact, come only from Rep. E. Swalwell (D)

also it became known Obama has used chemical weapons for many many times, its a shame media didnt cover that

https://i.imgur.com/mzkZ5XW.jpg


but but but obummer did it so that makes it okayyyyy.!!
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Nov 28 2018 12:07pm
I did try to warn of the GM situation years ago before it happened. sadly people vote on far less realistic promises than bringing back automotive jobs.
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Nov 28 2018 12:20pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 28 2018 12:52pm)


1. If journalists didn't utilize anonymous sources we wouldn't know a plethora of things about this administration. I don't know how the same people who applaud Wikileaks for transparency love to shit on anonymous sources telling us what's going on in Washington. Actually I do... whatever is best for Trump is the truth. No consistency.
2. Journalists make the determination whether their sources are being truthful, whether they have an axe to grind, etc.
3. This particular story isn't a great example of bad journalism... Trump talks about how Hillary and Comey should be investigated every day on twitter. He doesn't care about the independence of the Justice Department.
4. Sharyl then goes on to hypothesize about some deep state preventing Trump from bringing tyrants to justice. Those Hannity appearances are going to her head.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 28 2018 12:20pm
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Nov 28 2018 12:26pm
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A good example is the recent rash of stories about President Trump reportedly wanting the Justice Department to investigate two of his political nemeses: former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and former FBI Director James Comey.


lol yeah.... didnt even take long for that author to lose credibility.
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Nov 28 2018 12:38pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 28 2018 12:20pm)
1. If journalists didn't utilize anonymous sources we wouldn't know a plethora of things about this administration. I don't know how the same people who applaud Wikileaks for transparency love to shit on anonymous sources telling us what's going on in Washington. Actually I do... whatever is best for Trump is the truth. No consistency.
2. Journalists make the determination whether their sources are being truthful, whether they have an axe to grind, etc.
3. This particular story isn't a great example of bad journalism... Trump talks about how Hillary and Comey should be investigated every day on twitter. He doesn't care about the independence of the Justice Department.
4. Sharyl then goes on to hypothesize about some deep state preventing Trump from bringing tyrants to justice. Those Hannity appearances are going to her head.


1. They should be cautious about the use of anonymous sources. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and we've seen a lot of bombshell claims made by anonymous sources- many of which turned out to be fake. If the best the journalists can achieve is rumor and innuendo, it belongs in the tabloids and rumor mills. The current 'standard', or lack thereof, is for journalists to print anything that comes across their desk no matter how insubstantive as long as it can pass the minimum threshold of not setting off alarm bells as an attempt to troll / bait them.
2. It should not be up to journalists to tell their readers what to think, but to inform them of the facts and let them weigh their own conclusions. When journalists print articles that simply state matter-of-factly claims that are being made by a single source as if they were corroborated and confirmed truth, without informing their readers of the credibility of the source and their possible biases, it deprives the reader of the chance to determine whether the sources are being truthful or have an axe to grind. It reserves that solely to the journalists to be the arbiters of truth, and we've seen in spades how bad they are at that.
3. Its not a great or extreme example, its a mundane one. We've seen it dozens of times these past few years, heck we were just talking about it yesterday in the other thread.
4. Or maybe she's reading her own threads on TD

This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 28 2018 12:39pm
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