Transgenderism and gender dysphoria aren't the same thing as homosexuality. I think gender dysphoria introduces health risks and impairment beyond the discrimination and disadvantages that transgender individuals face in society as a result of their sexuality. I'd argue that the significantly increased suicide risk and other psychiatric comordity risks aren't simply due to societal discrimination but something pathological. It probably does no good to 'discourage' transgenderism (it would do about as much good to 'discourage' depression), but based on the current research, I also don't think we should be supporting hormone therapies and gender reassignment surgeries, either. I think the best thing for most of these people is psychiatric care and monitoring (particularly for depression and suicide), therapy, and supportive friends/family.

Not all transgender people have gender dysphoria.

Not all transgender people want or should have sex reassignment either through surgery or hormones.

Even if the comorbidity risks are due to an underlying pathology, that pathology isn't transgenderism, but a deeper underlying cause that manifests in a symptom of experienced transgenderism.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 25 2018 01:04pm

men want to be women because the patriarchy has put women on a pedestal as objects, and in an increasingly material world humans desire to be objectified more and more. women want to be men because of the patriarchy too, not only to escape being objectified but also to gain power society tells them they can't have with their current identity.

both groups of course fail. men don't become the worshiped objects they seek to become, they more often than not become nothing but a husk of said object. Like a cheap knockoff pair of nikes, you can't say why you know they aren't real but it's there none the less. And the women that transition actually lose power, real power, but gain a sense of power in social interactions because people attribute the most butch personality imaginable to trans men, and more often than not they're right.

The biggest reason that transgender dysphoria can't be treated is that the outcome never matches the illogical prediction of the outcomes. The reason no one really talks about tho, is that those with dysphoria have a larger than average propensity to be displeased with their lot in life, and as Goomshill pointed out we all have a higher propensity for that (in the immeasurably safer society of today) than ever before (partially explaining the increase in trans people generally). Gender dysphoria is simply the most prominent symptom of that type of disorder that society deems worthy of listening to. When you aren't happy with your lot in life, your house, your job, your wife, etc, people have little sympathy. even the democrats which don't accept pull yourself up by your bootstraps narratives have little sympathy on the individual level for those that don't improve their own lives. but, gender, sex, there's something you can't easily change. both from a physical standpoint and from a societal acceptance standpoint. there is something you can get sympathy for, something you cant easily change but cant accept.

of course i made all that up in my head with very little statistical backing. but i think its right anyways.

@ Bold Butches and other non-femine women that are older that I've interact with all say they dodged a bullet because they all had some sort of gender dysphoria and for going against the rest of society. They fear the repercussions of current and future generations.

Also :

SJWs : Gender roles are bad.
Also SJWs : This man/woman to become a woman/man and wear clothes of the "opposite sex" and adhere to every single stupid gender roles feminism has been fighting against in the last 50 years. You better respect that.

???

This post was edited by Helloween7 on Nov 27 2018 04:26pm

yeah ive also always seen a disconnect between "gender is a spectrum" and "you must cheer for Caitlyn Jenner when she dresses exactly like one of her daughters". i find it equally odd the some lesbians choose 14 year old skater boy as their style icon. flat brimmed hat, skater shoes, and clothes straight from the store in the mall i cant even name because i walk by it each time. odd.

I can't answer what current butch lesbians think about their outfits although it's probably similar.

I can answer the radfem/40-50 years old butch reasoning for the clothing choice. I mean it's fairly simple really. Many people think they dress and have hair like a man or in a masculine way. This isn't true, what the look actually says is that they reject what is currently referred as a feminine look. That does make them inherently masculine.

The female clothes are pretty much all painful and/or cumberslme to use. Those shoes are comfy to wear unlike stilettos. The baggy pants are much better than a skirt and because they're for men they've got cool design choices like pockets(inorite).
The hair should be obvious, having pretty long hair is a full time job, the metalhead me can relate. Same for those who wear suits, if a suit is well tailored that shit hella dank.

Added bonus of the look, an armor against the male gaze that a butch lesbian or radfem would rather prefer to avoid. Although if they have big breasts, all attempts will fail of course.

also exemplary of this:



"gay marriage is a super important achievement and everyone who opposes it is a reactionary, intolerant human being"

vs

"marriage is an outdated, reactionary institution that perpetuates patriarchic relationship dynamics and therefore must be deconstructed, if not outright abolished"

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 27 2018 04:58pm

the part about avoiding the male gaze especially stands out to me as something i hadn't considered. i had thought about less maintenance tho