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Nov 24 2018 09:40pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/opinion/sunday/vaginoplasty-transgender-medicine.html

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Next Thursday, I will get a vagina. The procedure will last around six hours, and I will be in recovery for at least three months. Until the day I die, my body will regard the vagina as a wound; as a result, it will require regular, painful attention to maintain. This is what I want, but there is no guarantee it will make me happier. In fact, I don’t expect it to. That shouldn’t disqualify me from getting it.

I like to say that being trans is the second-worst thing that ever happened to me. (The worst was being born a boy.) Dysphoria is notoriously difficult to describe to those who haven’t experienced it, like a flavor. Its official definition — the distress some transgender people feel at the incongruence between the gender they express and the gender they’ve been socially assigned — does little justice to the feeling.

But in my experience, at least: Dysphoria feels like being unable to get warm, no matter how many layers you put on. It feels like hunger without appetite. It feels like getting on an airplane to fly home, only to realize mid-flight that this is it: You’re going to spend the rest of your life on an airplane. It feels like grieving. It feels like having nothing to grieve.

Many conservatives call this crazy. A popular right-wing narrative holds that gender dysphoria is a clinical delusion; hence, feeding that delusion with hormones and surgeries constitutes a violation of medical ethics. Just ask the Heritage Foundation fellow Ryan T. Anderson, whose book “When Harry Became Sally” draws heavily on the work of Dr. Paul McHugh, the psychiatrist who shut down the gender identity clinic at Johns Hopkins in 1979 on the grounds that trans-affirmative care meant “cooperating with a mental illness.” Mr. Anderson writes, “We must avoid adding to the pain experienced by people with gender dysphoria, while we present them with alternatives to transitioning.”

In this view, it is not only fair to refuse trans people the care they seek; it is also kind. A therapist with a suicidal client does not draw the bath and supply the razor. Take it from my father, a pediatrician, who once remarked to me that he would no sooner prescribe puberty blockers to a gender dysphoric child than he would give a distemper shot to someone who believed she was a dog.

Naturally, a liberal counternarrative exists, and it has become increasingly mainstream. Transgender people are not deluded, advocates say, but they are suffering; therefore, medical professionals have a duty to ease that suffering. In this view, dysphoria is more akin to a herniated disc — a source of debilitating but treatable pain. “Gender dysphoria can in large part be alleviated through treatment,” states the World Professional Association for Transgender Health in its Standards of Care. Dr. John Steever, an adolescent medicine specialist at the Mount Sinai Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery in New York City, told The Times last month that a gender-affirming approach seeks to “prevent some of the traditional horrible outcomes that transgender or gender-nonconforming youth have ended up with,” including increased rates of depression, suicidal ideation and substance abuse.

A gender-affirmative model will almost certainly lead to more and higher-quality care for transgender patients. But by focusing on minimizing patients’ pain, it leaves the door open for care to be refused when a doctor, or someone playing doctor, deems the risks too high. This was the thrust of a recent Atlantic cover story in which the journalist Jesse Singal used the statistically small number of people who have come to regret their medical transitions to argue that transitioning is “not the answer for everyone.” There was a dog whistle here: Hormones and surgery can and should be withheld from patients who want them when such treatments cannot be reasonably expected to “maximize good outcomes.”

Mr. Singal is Mr. Anderson’s liberal doppelgänger. Both writers engage in what we could call “compassion-mongering,” peddling bigotry in the guise of sympathetic concern. Both posit a medical duty to refrain from increasing trans people’s suffering — what’s called nonmaleficence. Neither has any issue with gatekeeping per se; they differ, modestly, on how the gate is to be kept.

Buried under all of this, like a sober tuber, lies an assumption so sensible you’ll think me silly for digging it up. It’s this: People transition because they think it will make them feel better. The thing is, this is wrong.

I feel demonstrably worse since I started on hormones. One reason is that, absent the levies of the closet, years of repressed longing for the girlhood I never had have flooded my consciousness. I am a marshland of regret. Another reason is that I take estrogen — effectively, delayed-release sadness, a little aquamarine pill that more or less guarantees a good weep within six to eight hours.

Like many of my trans friends, I’ve watched my dysphoria balloon since I began transition. I now feel very strongly about the length of my index fingers — enough that I will sometimes shyly unthread my hand from my girlfriend’s as we walk down the street. When she tells me I’m beautiful, I resent it. I’ve been outside. I know what beautiful looks like. Don’t patronize me.

I was not suicidal before hormones. Now I often am.

I won’t go through with it, probably. Killing is icky. I tell you this not because I’m cruising for sympathy but to prepare you for what I’m telling you now: I still want this, all of it. I want the tears; I want the pain. Transition doesn’t have to make me happy for me to want it. Left to their own devices, people will rarely pursue what makes them feel good in the long term. Desire and happiness are independent agents.

As long as transgender medicine retains the alleviation of pain as its benchmark of success, it will reserve for itself, with a dictator’s benevolence, the right to withhold care from those who want it. Transgender people have been forced, for decades, to rely for care on a medical establishment that regards them with both suspicion and condescension. And yet as things stand today, there is still only one way to obtain hormones and surgery: to pretend that these treatments will make the pain go away.

The medical maxim “First, do no harm” assumes that health care providers possess both the means and the authority to decide what counts as harm. When doctors and patients disagree, the exercise of this prerogative can, itself, be harmful. Nonmaleficence is a principle violated in its very observation. Its true purpose is not to shield patients from injury but to install the medical professional as a little king of someone else’s body.

Let me be clear: I believe that surgeries of all kinds can and do make an enormous difference in the lives of trans people.

But I also believe that surgery’s only prerequisite should be a simple demonstration of want. Beyond this, no amount of pain, anticipated or continuing, justifies its withholding.

Nothing, not even surgery, will grant me the mute simplicity of having always been a woman. I will live with this, or I won’t. That’s fine. The negative passions — grief, self-loathing, shame, regret — are as much a human right as universal health care, or food. There are no good outcomes in transition. There are only people, begging to be taken seriously.
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Nov 24 2018 10:02pm
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Transgender trump voter doing fake news



https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/woman-attacked-on-camera-for-wearing-a-trump-hat-in-hollywood/

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Nov 24 2018 10:05pm
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Nov 24 2018 10:08pm
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Transgender trump voter doing fake news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyHB0COkw3s

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the true: they did get beat up by anti-trump protesters
the false: it's not a female
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I thought it was a pretty good essay at least. Its refreshing to see that kind of self aware commentary from a topic normally dominated by crusading ideologues and moral supremacists.
Even if I disagree with the author's interpretation of nonmaleficence and the balance of harms, and the presentation of a loose false dichotomy between either action or inaction on transition based upon society's best intentions to help through positive means- which precludes there being other options or negative reinforcement. You take away the basic struggles for food / shelter / social interaction from humans and give it to them easily, never spank them as a child, let pop culture tell them they are victims- and they spend their lives wondering if they should slit their wrists because they weren't born with a vagina. Is the lesson that society should coddle people even more? I think that if doctors are willing to compromise the policy of nonmaleficence and mutilate people in a medically unnecessary destructive procedure, that opens the door to considering any other negative therapy that results in a net good. Is that a danger in the ends justifying the means, or a solution?
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Nov 25 2018 08:53am
You missed the part where some are regretting their facial surgery [...insert insane and bias example here...]
Lets make facial surgery illegal ? :bonk:
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Nov 25 2018 09:56am
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Transgenderism is a psychiatric pathology. Like the author describes, hormones and surgery rarely make these people feel better or become healthier. The research indicates that people that have had gender reassignment surgery are, on average, at a higher suicide risk than those who haven't had it or want it someday. Personally, I think that's probably because individuals who opt to receive the transition surgery probably have more severe gender dysphoria on average, which is probably correlated more with an increased suicide risk and other psychiatric comorbidities. However, based on early results, I think it's also a fair assessment to say that these surgeries are generally medically unnecessary.

You raise a very good point about non-maleficence in a later post. Doctors should tread lightly on this issue and employ an empirically-inspired medical approach that is based on the research rather than their personal politics or feelings on the topic. I also think there is too much coddling going on in our society, especially in psychiatry. We need to better empower people, not coddle them. The current and popular mental health model inadvertently helps enable people to feel powerless and victimized by their circumstances rather than empowered to live healthier lives.
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Transgenderism is a psychiatric pathology. Like the author describes, hormones and surgery rarely make these people feel better or become healthier. The research indicates that people that have had gender reassignment surgery are, on average, at a higher suicide risk than those who haven't had it or want it someday. Personally, I think that's probably because individuals who opt to receive the transition surgery probably have more severe gender dysphoria on average, which is probably correlated more with an increased suicide risk and other psychiatric comorbidities. However, based on early results, I think it's also a fair assessment to say that these surgeries are generally medically unnecessary.

You raise a very good point about non-maleficence in a later post. Doctors should tread lightly on this issue and employ an empirically-inspired medical approach that is based on the research rather than their personal politics or feelings on the topic. I also think there is too much coddling going on in our society, especially in psychiatry. We need to better empower people, not coddle them. The current and popular mental health model inadvertently helps enable people to feel powerless and victimized by their circumstances rather than empowered to live healthier lives.


and I mean, the essay does raise a fair argument about non-maleficience in terms of the harm of action vs inaction. The doctors can't know if their treatment is actually effective or not, whether its causing harm or not. I'd think a reasonable person would say that when in doubt, don't cut off someone's dick and dilate their hole. But if we are opening the door to potential harm in the name of treatment- which is after all, the very notion of surgery itself- then perhaps we should consider where else in psychological development and social interaction that negative reinforcement could have been applied to achieve treatment in the long run. Spanking is the classical example, but its an entire field of social norms that have dictated a society where hurting someone's feelings is egregious, struggle is unrewarding and victimhood is championed. I'd agree that its endemic to the mental health field as a whole right now, you need only listen to them to see how far gone the echo chamber is.

The fact is, we're in a society where shaming someone for being fat is outside the overton window, but encouraging a minor to get their dick cut off before they're fully sexually developed is inside the overton window.

I'm sure there are all kinds of examples of excess and of cruelty and negative feedback loops, but I've seen the decadence of societal coddling as a fractal structure repeating throughout many niches. I see it in game design and the failure to account for human competitiveness and negative emotions. Modern video games tend to err by having carebear handholding in single player and bumper cars in multiplayer to avoid negative emotions altogether, yet human nature approaches games competitive because mammals evolved play as a method to compete with one another more safely than all-out combat, to build skills and create social orders. Whether it was the ball game of the americas or greek sophistry or smash bros, human nature is one in which both positive and negative feedback can create a net cultural positive. Its something Diablo II did right and few other games now do- you can hostile anyone, you can gang up unfairly and nk and bodyguard- but there are reasonable safety valves like a safe zone in town and ability to find a new game.

The greatest human success stories come largely from overcoming adversity. Struggle itself is inherent in the human condition, and I see a reasonable argument that the great mental health crisis of the modern age is largely a result of how well we're taken care of. A paradoxical result of society managing to provide care for the basic needs of humanity so adeptly that left to their own devices, human flaws are left to simmer on their own and all the attention an otherwise functional, literate and well-spoke human being might be paying to their struggle for food, shelter and social interaction can instead be devoted to obsessing about their lack of a vagina.
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