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White Americans between the ages 12-55 are quite easily the dumbest and most ignorant group of people on earth.

There is no debate here.
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Out of curiosity, are elections this slow in the Netherlands? How long does it to verify EVERY vote? Do you just go off reasonably accurate projections and then make minor adjustments later?
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IceMage: the right-wing in America is rotten to the core

Right-wingers on PaRD: nah, Trump is kind of unhinged at times but nothing wrong with the right

One of the most popular conservative radio hosts of the last number of decades:





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Out of curiosity, are elections this slow in the Netherlands? How long does it to verify EVERY vote? Do you just go off reasonably accurate projections and then make minor adjustments later?


Afaik there has been some recounting here and there, but none of them have been significant. Also since we don't elect a president, the most impactful elections are Parliament. Just copying some Wiki:

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For all elections polling is organised on the basis of municipalities. In each municipality there are multiple voting stations, usually in communal buildings, such as churches, schools, and more recently, railway stations. There are two different systems: using the call-to-vote card (oproepkaart) or a voting pass (stempas). With the oproepkaart, voters may vote, using this card, only at their nearest voting station, or if lost, their identity card. With a stempas, users may vote at any station in their municipality, but must have the pass with them. If it is lost, a replacement can be requested, but only until a few days before the elections. A stempas (of different type) can also be requested to vote in a different municipality.

When arriving at a voting station, voters hand in their card or pass to one of the three attendants of the voting station, who checks the card, cancels it, issues ballot papers to the voter, and directs him or her to the polling-booth.

Dutch citizens living abroad are able to vote by registering in advance and then using a postal vote. The results are counted by the municipality of The Hague and included in its own results. In 2006, they could vote over the internet via the Rijnland Internet Election System, but in 2008 security concerns led to a law against Internet voting.[4]

Voting is done in one of two ways: manually marking a ballot paper with a red pencil or electronically, using a voting machine. In 2005, almost all municipalities planned to abandon pencil-and-paper voting. However, serious doubts were raised over the inviolability of the computers used from potential vote tampering and electronic eavesdropping.[5][6] This led to a run on foreign voting machines and reintroduction of the red pencil in some municipalities in 2006, occasionally using converted medical waste disposal containers as voting boxes.

For mayoral and gubernatorial positions, the Netherlands is one of the few countries in Europe where no elections are held. Instead, they are appointed by the Crown. [7][8]

Polls close at 21:00 and the votes are counted immediately. For national elections, the first results usually come within the first five minutes after the polls are closed (from the municipalities with the fewest inhabitants, Schiermonnikoog and Renswoude). The final results are generally known around midnight and semi-officially announced the next morning, after which the 150 seats are allocated. However, recounting over the course of the following days sometimes throws up minor shifts in the allocation of seats.

The electorate in the Netherlands during the last general elections in 2017 was 12,950,685, of whom 82% voted, resulting in 10,563,456 votes (of which 10,516,041 valid votes). With 150 seats, that means a quota of 70,107 votes per seat, the so-called Hare quota. Since the election threshold is equal to the quota, that is also the number of votes required to get one seat in the House of Representatives.

However, the way residual seats are assigned, by using the D'Hondt method, a highest averages method, means that smaller parties are unlikely to get a residual seat, while larger parties have a bigger chance of getting one and may even get more than one. Firstly, numbers of seats are always rounded down, meaning there are always residual seats and parties that did not reach the quota do not get any seats (they do not take part in the following calculation). Next, the number of votes is divided by the assigned seats plus one. The party with the highest resulting number then gets one extra seat. Next, the process is repeated, with the party that got the extra seat participating again, albeit with a number one higher because they got an extra seat (the calculation stays the same for the other parties, which got no extra seat). But later on in the process, that party may get another extra seat. And since there are many parties in the House of Representatives, this is not unlikely to happen.

For example, in 2003 (see table here), the three biggest parties each got two of the six residual seats, even the VVD (150*0.179=26.85, but they got 28 seats, representing 18.7% of the seats instead of 17.9%), whereas the Socialist Party got none (150*0.063 = 9.45, but they got only 9 seats, representing 6% of the seats instead of 6.3%).

When the largest party gets over 35% of the votes and is considerably bigger than the next biggest party, that party may even get as much as 3 or even 4 residual seats. This has, however, never happened. The percentage of votes for the biggest party is usually around 30% and rarely goes far beyond that. The largest result ever was at the 1989 elections, when the Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA) got 35.3% of the votes. Even then, however, CDA only got two residual seats because next biggest party, the Labour Party (PvdA) had 31.9% of the votes. The biggest difference between the first and second party was at the 2002 elections, the most dramatic elections in Dutch history, when especially the PvdA lost many votes to the Pim Fortuyn List (LPF), which became second biggest after CDA with 17.0% of the votes. CDA, however, had received only 27.9% of the votes and was therefore still only assigned two residual seats.

Historically, parties had the option of forming an electoral alliance (lijstverbinding), in which case they would participate in the above calculations as one party and therefore increase their chance of being assigned residual seats. The allocation of those seats among the parties within a lijstverbinding was, however, done using the largest remainder method, which is more favourable toward smaller parties rather than the bigger ones if there is a considerable difference in size. But the overall advantage was greatest for small parties of comparable size. The option of forming a lijstverbinding was abolished in 2017.[9]
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Quote (balrog66 @ Nov 5 2020 12:44pm)
Afaik there has been some recounting here and there, but none of them have been significant. Also since we don't elect a president, the most impactful elections are Parliament. Just copying some Wiki:


Interesting. 50K invalid votes seems like a lot but I know that 30% of our provisional ballots are invalid (they make up about 2% of all ballots) and I know that A LOT of mail ballots end up rejected for various reasons.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 5 2020 12:24pm)
All a "poll watcher" is at this point is any given person who wants to view (and video, if they choose) vote counts, to insure nothing suspect is occurring.

Poll counts are required to be a transparent process, anyone has a right to verify the proceedings.

There's too much reach going on in this thread right now.

"Only racists would ask for ID!"
"Only interlopers want to verify election integrity!"

The level of Duh has gone full out at this point.


The Feds are sending a whole legion to polling locations so this should be settled quickly.

Quote (LuLer @ Nov 5 2020 03:41pm)
White Americans between the ages 12-55 are quite easily the dumbest and most ignorant group of people on earth.

There is no debate here.



Sounds like youre self projecting.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Nov 5 2020 02:48pm
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IceMage: the right-wing in America is rotten to the core

Right-wingers on PaRD: nah, Trump is kind of unhinged at times but nothing wrong with the right

One of the most popular conservative radio hosts of the last number of decades:

https://i.imgur.com/8CuHqsm.png


Levin truly is a fucking disgrace.
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Quote (thundercock @ Nov 5 2020 02:47pm)
Interesting. 50K invalid votes seems like a lot but I know that 30% of our provisional ballots are invalid (they make up about 2% of all ballots) and I know that A LOT of mail ballots end up rejected for various reasons.


I was mentally prepared for ~5% invalid mail in votes with how the Trump campaign was trying to set the standards as strictly as possible before the election.
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 5 2020 02:44pm)
IceMage: the right-wing in America is rotten to the core

Right-wingers on PaRD: nah, Trump is kind of unhinged at times but nothing wrong with the right

One of the most popular conservative radio hosts of the last number of decades:

https://i.imgur.com/8CuHqsm.png


The right wing of America is not worth salvaging, and by extension the fact that it's this close means America is only barely worth an attempt.
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Nov 5 2020 02:52pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 5 2020 03:47pm)
Levin truly is a fucking disgrace.


Truly incredible what a personality cult can do to American politics.
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Nov 5 2020 02:53pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 5 2020 02:44pm)
IceMage: the right-wing in America is rotten to the core

Right-wingers on PaRD: nah, Trump is kind of unhinged at times but nothing wrong with the right

One of the most popular conservative radio hosts of the last number of decades:

https://i.imgur.com/8CuHqsm.png


That's fraudulent, at best.

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1324418075249266688

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