>he thinks its satire

they don't openly question the border's legitimacy with policy nor implicit rhetoric. they state end goals with their rhetoric that are implausible without an open border. i gave plenty of examples above.

there is a disconnect between their rhetoric at times and their actual policy, and as a result they are sardonically mocked as open borders proponents.

this is of course speaking of mainstream leftists, and not extremists, that do legitimately call for open borders.

similar to hard on guns rhetoric from politicians that take money from the NRA. actuality and their extreme rhetoric create a disconnect that they are mocked for.

the difference is that democrats have a long history of FUNDING what they, according to right wing propaganda, 'just claim but really don't want'. in this specific case, for example, they already AGREED to another increase in border funding, that trump only rejected after getting bullied by ultra conservative pundits.

so please, give me a concrete example of those 'end goals' that you figure are only achievable with open borders - should be easy enough since you apparently consider them more important than their actual policy history, after all you supported the right wing narrative that democrats "question the legitimacy of having a border at all"...

W H I T E G E N O C I D E

As i said several times, their desire to take in economic migrants wihtout the ability to vet which ones come from places with the most need and how to stop criminals from infiltrating their ranks. i could make more examples, but lets start there since i said it 3 times and you still asked.



i dont consider them more important nor did i state anywhere that i did. im explaining to you why right winged people call left winged people open border proponents. i have expressed very little of my own opinion, i thought that was clear, apparently not to you tho.

quite often i try to play referee to explain something to you that appears to confuse you. then when i do you assume im arguing the other side. you do this weekly, it's embarrassing.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 4 2019 01:19pm

you should read your own post again, you CLEARLY sided with blacky, suggesting that his "democrats question the legitimacy of having borders at all" claim was a reasonable one to make- and not, like i suggested, simplistic right wing propaganda:



no, it is not, there is no causality and no logic to that, not with your unsourced claim that they DESIRE to take in economic migrants WITHOUT vetting, nor with anything else you claim to have provided. it's simply not true, pure fabrication.

you might have been strawmanning a bit to not look QUITE as retarded, but i clearly insisted on discussing THAT specific claim, and provided plenty of evidence refuting it.

it's so funny that every conversation you choose to involve yourself in ends up in me trying to stay on topic and you devolving into fantasising about my private life or stroking your ego about your 'popularity' on a video game forum...


again, i acknowledged before how for the right wing it kind of makes sense to CLAIM that, but the facts simply don't support that narrative, that's all i'm saying...

This post was edited by fender on Jan 4 2019 01:34pm

Holy shit fender just called someone blacky? Fuckin based

Talk about desperate to prove someone wrong.

my claim is that we don't have the ability to properly vet people to prevent criminals from getting in, in an absolute sense. that's not a claim its a basic fact. even the best vetting system in the world misses some, and ours is far from perfect.

good ol fender, typing pages with strawmans laced inbetween. all to defend the party that vaguely supports letting people in and not building walls. they struck a dumb chord with that type of contradictory rhetoric, all so you can point out that they're being contradictory with their action and still miss the irony.

trump says mean thing, but does nothing, "he cant say stuff like that because it emboldens etc etc etc"

dems say dumb shit, then act different "see you have to look at the action"

you're a biased hack. its clear as day. your unpopularity reflects this, its not inherently important, its inherent proof you're a hack. people dont like hacks. political affiliation has little to do with popularity, its about who you are. and we all know youre just a blowhard liar.

source your claim then, and we wouldn't be talking about alleged misrepresentations / strawmen, but rather concrete 'end goals', as you labeled them to justify your retarded 'logic'. guess what, even a majority of republicans are in favor of LEGAL immigration, so by your idiot logic that means they are also open border proponents - because no system is perfect? the hoops you're willing to jump through...

the facts just aren't on your side, my butthurt little friend - democrats are in favour of border security and they agreed on INCREASED funding for it. claiming they want open borders and even question the legitimacy of borders as a whole is right wing propaganda, and you are triggered enough to fall for it. how pathetic...

This post was edited by fender on Jan 4 2019 01:48pm