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May 5 2016 12:38pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ May 5 2016 01:10pm)
Yep. Mitt Romeny and George HW Bush won't endorse or go to the convention, either (apparently).

What a failure by the RNC. Not only is Trump a demagogue, he is candidate with very poor electability and doesn't represent most Conservative ideology.

AND him being the nominee will probably cost Republicans a lot of vulnerable congressional seats.

Just lol. The GOP does deserve this, though. They have been a joke since really the beginning of the 2000s and deserve a joke candidate.


Why is it a failure for the RNC? The people have spoken. Republican voters have ridiculous expectations of what conservative politicians can accomplish. They can't understand that half the country doesn't agree with conservative ideas, so they threw a temper tantrum.

Quote (Beowulf @ May 5 2016 01:10pm)
I've been watching Republicans for Hillary interviews

I hope more top Republicans refuse to endorse him even though Trump is openly saying he doesn't give a shit about unity


I want top Republicans to endorse him so that when he loses the moronic Republican voters don't have a boogeyman(the establishment) to blame.
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May 5 2016 12:41pm
Quote (Pollster @ May 5 2016 01:18pm)
Those poor white males. As far as the bold: you do realize that's not really happening, right? Trump's had just as much success pulling people into the Republican primary to vote against him.

http://thehill.com/latino/277824-hispanics-in-swing-states-create-daunting-electoral-map-for-gop

Get used to seeing stuff like this. "Skyrocketing registration" aren't the two words his campaign wants to hear used to describe Hispanic/Latino rates. An estimated additional 2 million above the 2012 numbers? Many of them will be in TX/CA, but a huge chunk of the remainder will fall into the VA/FL/CO/NV battlegrounds. He can't afford to lose a single one, and the Republicans already start out behind in each of them.


So the vote count isn't up for Republicans? Regardless of what bullshit they're spouting the Republicans at large will back Trump after the Primary. The RNC is already telling anti-trumpers to get the fuck out of the way.

According to opponents only white males vote Republican and Republican primary turnout is up as high as 90% in states like Ohio.
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May 5 2016 12:43pm
Quote (Beowulf @ 5 May 2016 14:16)
Remember when Jeb busted out George as his secret weapon?

Was a very touching and powerful 15 minutes before he dropped out




She doesn't have to pander to RINOs that are going to vote for her. They aren't crazy and are voting accordingly


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May 5 2016 12:51pm
Quote (excellence @ May 5 2016 10:43am)
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I have no idea why trump supporters of all people are talking about rinos tbh
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May 5 2016 12:53pm
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Why is it a failure for the RNC? The people have spoken. Republican voters have ridiculous expectations of what conservative politicians can accomplish. They can't understand that half the country doesn't agree with conservative ideas, so they threw a temper tantrum.



I want top Republicans to endorse him so that when he loses the moronic Republican voters don't have a boogeyman(the establishment) to blame.


The goal of a political party isn't always necessarily to pick the candidate who receives the most votes and is the most popular (I know, it's not always a democratic process).

The goal of a political part is to put forth a nominee that gives them the best chance to win and who represent's their as much of their party's platform as possible. Trump is/does neither of those things.

So yes, when you consider what a political party functions to do and the fact that they have been actively trying to nominate anyone else other than Trump, the RNC has certainly failed.
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May 5 2016 12:54pm
Quote (Beowulf @ 5 May 2016 14:51)
I have no idea why trump supporters of all people are talking about rinos tbh


"I will vote for Hillary because fuck Trump, that orange fucker didn't wait in line!!! iJeb! was next up!!!"
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May 5 2016 12:56pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ May 5 2016 01:53pm)
The goal of a political party isn't always necessarily to pick the candidate who receives the most votes and is the most popular (I know, it's not always a democratic process).

The goal of a political part is to put forth a nominee that gives them the best chance to win and who represent's their as much of their party's platform as possible. Trump is/does neither of those things.

So yes, when you consider what a political party functions to do and the fact that they have been actively trying to nominate anyone else other than Trump, the RNC has certainly failed.


When you say someone fails, you are implying they could have done it differently to succeed. What could the RNC have done differently? The voters pick the candidate, not the RNC.

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May 5 2016 12:58pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ May 5 2016 01:53pm)
The goal of a political party isn't always necessarily to pick the candidate who receives the most votes and is the most popular (I know, it's not always a democratic process).

The goal of a political part is to put forth a nominee that gives them the best chance to win and who represent's their as much of their party's platform as possible. Trump is/does neither of those things.

So yes, when you consider what a political party functions to do and the fact that they have been actively trying to nominate anyone else other than Trump, the RNC has certainly failed.


I disagree.

They actively tried to prevent someone that apparently only the minority disagree with. The majority of the party voted for Trump. Which is by definition, representing as much of the party as possible. I think he fits fairly well within their platform as well, and is pretty flexible and willing to come to a compromise on a lot of issues.
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May 5 2016 01:01pm
Quote (Mangix @ May 5 2016 11:41am)
So the vote count isn't up for Republicans? Regardless of what bullshit they're spouting the Republicans at large will back Trump after the Primary. The RNC is already telling anti-trumpers to get the fuck out of the way.

According to opponents only white males vote Republican and Republican primary turnout is up as high as 90% in states like Ohio.


Now you're talking about something different, the Republican primary vote total, instead of just "the people who are voting for one person." (Trump)

This is the exact problem that Trump supporters have had that has caused them to misunderstand/exaggerate his level of support: they see the total vote for the party and assume all the raw votes are supportive of Republican policies/candidates, but they don't understand that people have been deliberately crossing over into the Republican primary to vote specifically against Trump. Those people helped set high Republican turnout in some states during the primary, and they're going to turn around in November and vote against Trump again. Yes most Republican voters will eventually come around because they always do, but they're the only ones who will.

This is one of the reasons why primary turnout has never been predictive of the eventual November outcome dating back to 1972.
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May 5 2016 01:03pm
Quote (Pollster @ May 5 2016 02:01pm)
Now you're talking about something different, the Republican primary vote total, instead of just "the people who are voting for one person." (Trump)

This is the exact problem that Trump supporters have had that has caused them to misunderstand/exaggerate his level of support: they see the total vote for the party and assume all the raw votes are supportive of Republican policies/candidates, but they don't understand that people have been deliberately crossing over into the Republican primary to vote specifically against Trump. Those people helped set high Republican turnout in some states during the primary, and they're going to turn around in November and vote against Trump again. Yes most Republican voters will eventually come around because they always do, but they're the only ones who will.

This is one of the reasons why primary turnout has never been predictive of the eventual November outcome dating back to 1972.


If thats true, it implies that there are less republicans actually against trump, does it not? Unless by cross over you aren't meaning democrats and merely meaning typical non voters.

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