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May 29 2026 01:19am
Yes it's relative...based on the fact the person being hunted is an intruder. Again you're strawmanning my argument on moral relativism.

The truth is no one can ever show you empirical measurable proof of Christianity. What can be proven, even based on your own presuppositions rooted in physics/quantum theory, is that saying there is no higher power is wrong. Something cannot come from nothing. It's impossible.


Your claim is that Christianity is fake when in reality, the claim that it is fake is "more wrong" than the idea that God or gods exist.


How am I strawmanning, is there a different dictionary you are using to define moral relativism? Its clear cut you are just refusing to acknowledge you are wrong.

If you cannot show it empirically then don't call it true. Call it fiction or at a very least a theory. Science doesn't attemp to pass off personal anecdotes or hearsay as truth learn the difference. Why are you still talking to me about "something cannot come from nothing?" I literally just told you no one is making that claim you are creating strawmans in your own head.

Why is callling something that you cannot prove fake wrong to you? Do you automatically believe any magic creature or magic powers? Say I told you I had a flying pig on my farm and it could speak fluently 3 languages and said just trust me bro. You would immediately call bullshit/fake news and demand proof. Well the same way I call bible bullshit with talking snakes, dragons, cherubim, resurrecting people from the dead etc and demand concrete proof. Surely as a grown adult you don't believe all those magic creatures are real do you?
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May 29 2026 01:55am
The thing is, I cannot move onto the higher tier arguments because you haven't even moved from square one. I have no choice but to keep repeating the same things for over 250+ pages. It is you who is stalling, not me.

You will not get anything else until you actually understand the basic and yet the most difficult concept: You are a sinner and in need of saving. The problem is NOT whether or not God exists, you already know He does. The problem is that you are a sinner and are rebellious towards God.

You are simply attempting to make any kind of distraction you can to not talk about your sinful nature.

You should listen to The Bible because it has --- I mean YOU HAVE proven time and time again that what is written in The Bible is true and correct. The thing is God is so powerful that He uses your very acts to prove The Bible to be true and correct. You have not convinced a single person as you don't have any alternative.


You are once more making a faith-based assumption with nothing to back it up.
Prove that sin exists and not just a made up concept. You cannot talk about sin unless you can prove it or demonstrate it's existence.

Sin belongs in the same category as other superstitious beliefs like a boogeyman under the bed or bad luck if a black cat crosses your path. Sin is a psychological threat for adults to not be naughty as a lump of coal is a threat to children who misbehave.
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May 29 2026 08:45am
You are once more making a faith-based assumption with nothing to back it up.
Prove that sin exists and not just a made up concept. You cannot talk about sin unless you can prove it or demonstrate it's existence.

Sin belongs in the same category as other superstitious beliefs like a boogeyman under the bed or bad luck if a black cat crosses your path. Sin is a psychological threat for adults to not be naughty as a lump of coal is a threat to children who misbehave.


Do you feel some things are good and some things are evil?
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May 29 2026 10:27am
is there a different dictionary you are using to define moral relativism? ?


Different schools of philosophy define this term differently. It's not an objective term with one meaning that's agreed upon by everyone.
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May 29 2026 10:32am
How am I strawmanning, is there a different dictionary you are using to define moral relativism? Its clear cut you are just refusing to acknowledge you are wrong.

If you cannot show it empirically then don't call it true. Call it fiction or at a very least a theory. Science doesn't attemp to pass off personal anecdotes or hearsay as truth learn the difference. Why are you still talking to me about "something cannot come from nothing?" I literally just told you no one is making that claim you are creating strawmans in your own head.

Why is callling something that you cannot prove fake wrong to you? Do you automatically believe any magic creature or magic powers? Say I told you I had a flying pig on my farm and it could speak fluently 3 languages and said just trust me bro. You would immediately call bullshit/fake news and demand proof. Well the same way I call bible bullshit with talking snakes, dragons, cherubim, resurrecting people from the dead etc and demand concrete proof. Surely as a grown adult you don't believe all those magic creatures are real do you?




You are once more making a faith-based assumption with nothing to back it up.
Prove that sin exists and not just a made up concept. You cannot talk about sin unless you can prove it or demonstrate it's existence.

Sin belongs in the same category as other superstitious beliefs like a boogeyman under the bed or bad luck if a black cat crosses your path. Sin is a psychological threat for adults to not be naughty as a lump of coal is a threat to children who misbehave.


satanist doctrine "do as thou wilt" seems to me thats were your going
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May 29 2026 10:35am
Different schools of philosophy define this term differently. It's not an objective term with one meaning that's agreed upon by everyone.


I've also been very clear as to what the context was and how it is applied here. I also never denied that some aspects of it are morally relative to the time/interpretations specifically. But yet addone cannot differentiate between the two.
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May 29 2026 03:00pm
Different schools of philosophy define this term differently. It's not an objective term with one meaning that's agreed upon by everyone.


Which one is he referring to? I just looked up 3 types Descriptive, Meta-ethical and Normative.

I've also been very clear as to what the context was and how it is applied here. I also never denied that some aspects of it are morally relative to the time/interpretations specifically. But yet addone cannot differentiate between the two.


No you weren't very clear at all. Thats why I asked for clarification you didn't provide.
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May 29 2026 03:17pm


It's the title of the book, but Krauss in no way makes the claim that our universe came from nothing. A more apt title for the book would be "A universe from quantum fields" or "why empty space isn't empty".

the title is misleading.

This post was edited by x_h on May 29 2026 03:17pm
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May 29 2026 03:55pm
It's not the morals that weren't perfect, it was the INTERPRETATION that lacked perfection...

These morals have always been perfect. Some of the laws were ritual laws, some were Jewish law, and some were laws applicable to all people (10 commandments etc). Maybe the argument could be made they were relative in that manner, but the morals are still established by God NOT the society's opinion which is the modern view of the idea of moral relativism.

Moral relativism is inherently flawed. People intrinsically know right from wrong when it comes to major sins like murder, theft, adultery etc.


I am talking about relative in the sense of the modern usage; society deems x behavior good therefore it's good as long as society says so. You're correct it was relative because of the time and interpretations, but not in the sense I am referencing.




No you weren't very clear at all. Thats why I asked for clarification you didn't provide.


I have clarified over and over what I meant.
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