The responsible and smart thing would be shut this all down before it gets out of control but the US is managing to unite the Muslim world and risk a much larger war.

Region is like a powderkeg. Also not doing much for the "rules based order" as FT notes.

https://www.ft.com/content/e0b43918-7eaf-4a11-baaf-d6d7fb61a8a5

I'd contrast it with his support for unions. His entire life, Joe Biden has been vocally pro-Israel and pro-Union. He's done his trips and his photo ops, he'll fly to pose with striking workers, he'll fly to pose with Netanyahu. The difference is, he's never lifted a finger to actually help unions when he'd have to sacrifice anything, and crushed them the moment a tradeoff existed. But quite the opposite for his support of Israel, at most he's given that kind of lip service for Palestinian causes and then crushed them the moment push came to shove.

lol, goon once again pretending not to get the fundamental distinction between explaining and excusing, failing to realise that while an approach to the latter could indeed be just accepting the result, the former could be adequately addressed by tackling the reasons.

apparently that's just too difficult to tell apart. just like which group of people lives under a brutal foreign occupation, gets its resources stolen, its buildings bulldozed, its wells closed, its people abducted, tortured, and killed, its journalists murdered, and lacks basic needs and human rights - and which group lives in prosperity, freedom, and protected by literally trillions worth of equipment, which it uses to illegally occupy, discriminate, and oppress the other group. really strange how SOME people don't consider their struggles equal...

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do you genuinely believe that cutting water and electricity to millions of people already living in destitution "targets" hamas, or would you agree that measures like that will predictably hit the weak and the vulnerable the hardest?

who do you think has an easier time evacuating, re-locating and surviving from constant air bombardments of densely settled residential areas (there are no fix "military targets" in gaza that you can precision strike with bombs, or israel is just reeeeally bad at using all their equipment): hamas combatants, or families with young children and elderly people.

is there any building, any "target" within gaza that you would NOT characterise as somehow at least connected to or benefitting hamas, and thus a valid "military target"?

in other words, is there anything short of EXCLUSIVELY targeting and slaughtering children (something even the disgusting hamas terrorists did not, they indiscriminately killed everyone - just like israel) that the IDF could do, that you would consider illegitimate?

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there was this heavyweight boxer who abducted a child and kept it locked in a cell. one day, the kid kicked the boxer right between his legs - with all the strength it could muster, which actually hurt him quite considerably. so in reply, the boxer beat his little prisoner to a bloody pulp, didn't even break a sweat.
i guess the kid was lucky - since a "proportional response" would have been to ALSO use full strength, which would easily have killed the kid. after all, the little bugger "started it", and it was clearly a low blow too. also, if the kid were smart, it wouldn't have tried to hurt his jailer in the first place, and just accepted its destiny.

it's good that we have people around who can put the slaughtering of thousands of innocent women and children (at the very least three times as many as the disgusting hamas terrorists murdered), into the appropriate context, and explain to us how palestinians are actually getting away easy, because a "proportional response" would "aCktShuaLLy" be slaughtering tens or even hundreds of thousands of kids.

#pro life
#team heavyweight
#no more groin kicks

This post was edited by fender on Oct 19 2023 12:18am

Why Egypt or other Arab countries do not provide shelter to the Gaza people?

Their ‘care’ about them only shows in hate for Israel…
No one rly cares about them.

Your mistake is thinking that we somehow 'don't know', when we don't care, when society doesn't care, when society shouldn't care about their 'explanations' and 'struggles'. We can perfectly understand the cultural genesis of the world's rapists, murderers and terrorists without giving them even an ounce of deference or excuse. That's the difference I had with the bleeding hearts after 9/11 on one side and the jingoists on the other, both with their own brand of reductivism. Its a dumb philosophy that if followed to its conclusion robs all people of their agency, turns them into products of their upbringing and circumstance and erases any free will. I can tell you the number one reason why men commit rape is that they're hardwired to be horny by nature. Does that mean we shouldn't lock up men who can't control their biological impulses? Why should understanding the inputs to the system change our reaction to the output?

I judge them for their actions and their choices. When Palestinians try to fire a massive rocket at civilian targets in Israel in hopes of blowing up a hospital filled with Jews, I judge them for it. Look at all the outcry over the false story that erupted when that same rocket fell back down on the Palestinians. And the same Hamas sympathizers that called it an Israeli war crime and shouted it from the rooftops- where are they now when they should be condemning the Islamic Jihad attempted attack on Haifa? If they were to even acknowledge it, they'd just dismiss it as decolonization, indirect self defense, a product of Israel's occupation, blah blah blah and all the other moronic lines that selectively apply responsibility to parties they disagree with

I'm all for understanding what motivates the hajjis and their cultural conditions. Because I'm a pragmatist who wants to better understand the bug to kill the bug/

Palestine wants the Palestinians.

Sorry I don’t know any country named by that name…

Of coarse you don't...

Edit: Are you by chance Ashkenazi?

This post was edited by sirthom on Oct 19 2023 01:25am

Nop

Where are you from btw?

You can find out if try.