I did add them, but not as tangents, i see them as the logical inference of your post. i realize you didn't say them, your post was rather short. you've explained it now tho, you think that due to a soft spot in optics he can handle a shut down to cool off the resistance and save face for the base. i'd agree with that, and would only add that he is a shut down kind of guy. he likes to slam the brakes as a negotiating tactic. that's only a relevant point because i think trump would shut down the govt over the wall even if the resistance was lukewarm. it's currently VERY politically charged. there are two types of resistance, votes in senate, and rhetoric. sometimes we get one without the other, sometimes both. if the dems played it coy and just voted for resistance rather than putting out 300% more tweets on the wall and clawing for spots on cable trump would still see the end goal of no wall is inexcusable to take on the chin from his base. tl;dr, trump shuts it down in literally any scenario that doesn't give him $5-6bn for a wall. your post read to me like the extreme rhetoric of the dems is driving the shutdown, when i think its more on trump for playing negotiations like this for decades and drawing a line in the sand over the wall. your post did read "he's doing this because of the dems" without the "and this is how his base would view it and how it works given the calendar" context.

im trying to post longer posts for more worthwhile long form discussions rather than my typical sniping of pard. firstly because i think it has a bad effect on hte forum when people log in and see 3 red stars and thesnipa next to 25 threads in a row. and partially so that when i log in i dont get 50+ different notifications lol.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 27 2018 12:15pm

Nice meme pic

could post the same for people being pro tax increases while wanting to import workers who take cash to avoid taxes and detection.

they just hate the successful

yeah they love to fall down the slippery slope too. they point out "the rich don't pay their fair share", then when you crunch the numbers you need to raise the taxes on the middle class as well to make the spreadsheet balance and you get "we should all pay out fair share to help those who can't help themselves". every time, they start with demonizing the rich, and when it gets down to the math they increase their own burden.

“The rich” is a fluid term too (how fitting) - it’s basically anyone/any family who is above the median household income at this point (i know lefties dont believe in family units while still demanding collectivization and shunning individualism but yeah whatever)

This post was edited by excellence on Dec 28 2018 09:54am

do they advocate for increasing the tax burden on the middle class? usually the focus seems to be the rich because it seems they believe the people high on our society's economic hierarchy got there unjustly no matter the means because inherently capitalism isn't just.

Kulaks

/e I guess kulaks is the inevitable outcome of my own response.

This post was edited by majorblood on Dec 28 2018 09:56am

they dont advocate it, the math pushes them there. they call for 100 new projects, you break down the math of what a tax hike on corporations will net in tax collections, they realize they're well short of the goal for their programs, and then advocate a tax raise on all.



oh yeah i had that in college. a dark skinned woman argued with me in sociology that wen't something like this:

"i bet none of yall had to grow up out of poverty" - her

"yeah i grew up dirt poor" - me

"yeah i bet (sarcastic)" - her

"no really i did, like not having 2 nickels to rub together poor" - me

"yeah but they never shut yalls water off i bet" - her

"yeah happened a lot, my mom couldnt ever make ends meet" - me

"we didnt even get presents for holidays" - her

"i had multiple holidays and birthdays where i was lucky to get to choose the dinner we ate, no presents, etc" - me

"yeah i bet (sarcastic)" - her

shocker shocker, the topic of discussion was white privilege. white people can't be dirt poor i guess.